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purplefaithful · 06-13-2018, 02:17 AM

When the Minnesota Vikings signed Kirk Cousins to a three-year contract with $84 million, it sparked a debate over the former Washington quarterback’s statistics and win-loss record.
While he has three straight 4,000-yard seasons, Cousins went just 24-23-1 with one playoff loss after winning the starting job in 2015.

In a recent piece grading NFL teams’ offseasons, ESPN’s Mike Sando quoted several NFL executives talking about the Vikings’ decision to go all-in on Cousins.
One NFL executive said:
“He was not a finisher at Michigan State and he is not a finisher in the league.”
The comment brings about an interesting question: How would we go about defining someone who is a “finisher?”
Does that cover all important situations? Does it mean he gets his team to the finish line when they are ahead? Or that he rises to the occasion when his team is losing?
http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2018/0...-finisher/

06-13-2018, 11:01 AM

Maybe we need a closer QB? Capn kirk gets the first 3 quarters and then our closer comes in and nails it down... or kirk can get the regular season but we turn the playoffs over to a specialist...

06-13-2018, 11:19 AM

Article is OK but stats can be slanted in so many ways.

The Redskins under Cousins never had a decent run game and had the one year with WR weapons before they decided to not resign them. There defense was ranked bottom 5ish in the league all 3 years. So you want to do an article on not just taking leads but also holding leads as an indication of "clutch" but it is a team game.

Cousins had no run game or defense to allow him to be "clutch".

That changes with the Vikings and we will all see the difference. One teams incompetence is going to work to our advantage IMO.
Cousins is the right player at the right time and place!

06-13-2018, 11:20 AM

So the NFL should be like the MLB and have relief QBs that come in and close the game??? yeah ok.... Wink

06-13-2018, 11:21 AM

This.
One conclusion you could draw is that the all-time great quarterbacks will remain all-time great through thick and thin, but most of the league’s franchise QBs’ narrative and win-loss records are shaped by the quality of their team.

06-13-2018, 12:14 PM

Quote: @MaroonBells said:
This.
One conclusion you could draw is that the all-time great quarterbacks will remain all-time great through thick and thin, but most of the league’s franchise QBs’ narrative and win-loss records are shaped by the quality of their team.

And I would add... some of the "All-time greats" weren't that great early in their career. The article points out Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, and a few other QBs as finishers. Well, Drew Brees had a record of 21-21 after his first 3 years as the starter in San Diego. Kirk Cousins was 24-23-1 in his first 3 full seasons as the starter.
Quite a few of these guys grew into the position... I mean Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees are prime examples of QBs that didn't put up the gaudy numbers early in their career, but they eventually developed into top 5 QBs.
Cousins has the best collection of talent and coaches than he's ever had in his career... I wouldn't be shocked if he's being mentioned as a top 5 QB in a couple seasons. The pieces are in place for him to succeed, he's in his prime, and this team is ready to win a bunch of games. We'll see what happens.

06-13-2018, 12:31 PM

NFL exec's have opinions, not all of them accurate. We'll find out with Cousins.

06-13-2018, 12:51 PM

these are the same execs that pick the spurgeon wynns before Tom bradys. Just sayin..

06-13-2018, 01:24 PM

So I guess Matt Coller and some unnamed exe. are not big Cousins fans. At least Matt laid out his concerns. They are valid in my opinion. Let's see what he does with a better surroundings cast. That and the security of actually being wanted by your owner and GM. As for the unamed. I can't judge the value of your opinion unless I know who you are. What your motivation might be. Or who you picked as YOUR. "closer". I might have to laugh at you and your opinion. Or could be a rival stirring the pot. ESPN's Sando quoted several NFL exe's. Coller chose this one quote to write an intire article around. OK...what's your take on the others. Did they/any praise the move? I don't know and not looking it up. Just wondering your motivation.

06-13-2018, 01:37 PM

Quote: @suncoastvike said:
So I guess Matt Coller and some unnamed exe. are not big Cousins fans. At least Matt laid out his concerns. They are valid in my opinion. Let's see what he does with a better surroundings cast. That and the security of actually being wanted by your owner and GM. As for the unamed. I can't judge the value of your opinion unless I know who you are. What your motivation might be. Or who you picked as YOUR. "closer". I might have to laugh at you and your opinion. Or could be a rival stirring the pot. ESPN's Sando quoted several NFL exe's. Coller chose this one quote to write an intire article around. OK...what's your take on the others. Did they/any praise the move? I don't know and not looking it up. Just wondering your motivation.

hell it could be somebody within the redskins organization....

also... "executive" doesnt mean he knows shit about football, a CFO is an executive but I wouldnt necessarily want Steve Poppen making personnel decisions for the Vikes.