To me, the difference is that we've seen Diggs and Thielen develop into Harrison/Waynes. It's tough to see many reps with these two shredding secondaries. Teams have a hell of a time covering either one on one. They are coming into their own at the same time. Treadwell has seen some 3rd down stuff, but it would be tough to justify using him more just to use him. WR can take guys some time to "get" it. Guys with his size speed frame combo, need to get precise on routes and body position. This can be a big adjustment from the semi-playground ball seen in college.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
I'm surprised - and yet not - when people on these boards complain about "handwringing" or any other discussion of the problems the Vikings encountered. Yes, I'm delighted that we're doing pretty well at 2-1. But --
- This is a pasttime/hobby for all of us. We're interested in our team enough to talk about it 7 days a week even though a game is only played once in that period. Many of us identify with the management of the team, and since it is a hobby activity, we think about things that generally translate to: How could the team get better?? There would be room for improvement even on a 3-0 team.
- So we are 2-1; great. But what has been our season-end status for the last 57 seasons? A loss. In this century, we're under .500. This franchise really hasn't earned faith beyond fans saying, "So far so good" to a 2-1 start.
- Is it a binary decision - we can either be delighted or cheer for the Browns?
Mostly, talking about Treadwell's challenges - or which QB should hold our future, or how good our OL really is - is just a diversion and hopefully fun. Maybe someone should start a sub-board called "Happy Thoughts Only".
It is a passtime. And there is plenty of problems/issues/weaknesses discussed throughout the week and year. But for many, the constant handwringing gets old. Especially when those singing the blues only hit one note, over and over and over.
So, no need for a separate board, but will say that if you want to belabor your point, expect some feedback. If you want to debate your talking points at length, don't be surprise and whine when others debate their points. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, so if you are the squeaky wheel, expect to get some grease slopped on you now and then.
I definitely understand the one-note approach gets tiresome, if not boring. Hopefully I vary my attacks...
To me, there is just a fundamental difference between these two approaches to argument/discussion:
1. Person A says, "Drafting Treadwell was a huge mistake."
Person B says, "I disagree because he was the best available or the draft is inexact or....any reason."
2. Person A says, "Drafting Treadwell was a huge mistake."
Person B says, "You should just quit complaining."
Maybe option 2 is understandable, but I don't know why anyone comes to a discussion board and doesn't expect some debate.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
I definitely understand the one-note approach gets tiresome, if not boring. Hopefully I vary my attacks...
To me, there is just a fundamental difference between these two approaches to argument/discussion:
1. Person A says, "Drafting Treadwell was a huge mistake."
Person B says, "I disagree because he was the best available or the draft is inexact or....any reason."
2. Person A says, "Drafting Treadwell was a huge mistake. Spielman sucks. None of our WRs turn out. Spielman sucks. He wastes our picks on his ego. Spielman sucks. His good drafts are all luck. Spielman sucks and I think Treadwell is the final straw"
Person B says, "You should just quit complaining."
Maybe option 2 is understandable, but I don't know why anyone comes to a discussion board and doesn't expect some debate.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ Norse said:
Why does it take 3 years for all these first round picks to develop?
what a waste...
50% of 1st Rounders bust. Should half the League skip the first round?
If Treadwell busts this is still the FO.that picked the 2nd and 3rd ranked WRs so far.
Personally, I liked the gamble. Tready crushed SEC competition. Had what I constantly referred to as that intangible' IT' factor.
So far it ain't translating. So what does Rick do about it? Double down with Floyd.
Doesn't sound like a move that a GM who won't admit to a potential bust would make.
Honestly, all the hamdwringimg makes me wonder if some folks around here would be happier as Browns fans.
Just a waste for 3 years, then if they have a decent year they negotiate a big contract or else move on to another team. Unlike Diggs who we got production from in year 1.
Waynes is another example on the defensive side.
then by your definition Rhodes was a borderline bust as well? he really struggled at times his first few years and had many wondering if he was going to ever turn his head around.
Rhodes set Vikings rookie record with 23 passes defensed in 2013, the 2nd-most passes defensed in a season in team history. Then I think it took him awhile to get comfortable with Zimmers system.
So far Treadwell hasn't showed that kind of talent. Soon he needs to show something or it will be time to cut your losses.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Just to add some gas to fire, guy on NFL Network this morning said that he's been hearing that the Vikings front office is "the envy of the league."
LOL, I sincerely doubt this. For what reason? This isn't directed at you at all, Maroon, you are just sharing what you heard on NFLN. But what has the Viking's front office achieved? Nothing. Who would possibly be saying this, you know? Fans online maybe? Certainly not any NFL executives.
Here's what I will say: Shurmur is one smart and crafty dude. I would love to see him replace Zimmer in a few years, quite honestly. He'll get another shot as a HC if this offense continues to rock and roll at some point.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
I definitely understand the one-note approach gets tiresome, if not boring. Hopefully I vary my attacks...
To me, there is just a fundamental difference between these two approaches to argument/discussion:
1. Person A says, "Drafting Treadwell was a huge mistake."
Person B says, "I disagree because he was the best available or the draft is inexact or....any reason."
2. Person A says, "Drafting Treadwell was a huge mistake."
Person B says, "You should just quit complaining."
Maybe option 2 is understandable, but I don't know why anyone comes to a discussion board and doesn't expect some debate.
You should just quit complaining.
J/K!!! :^)
This might be the longest discussion I've ever seen on this board, all about this mediocrity Laquon Treadwell. Of course, Zimmer has stated several times that he was injured as a rookie.
I have to confess something - it's all my fault. 3 times in the last many years I have for some reason heard a name predraft and gotten some gut feeling that he is the guy we should take. Those 3 names? Bryant McKinnie, Christian Ponder, and Laquon Treadwell. Then we took them and I was excited and well, the rest is history.
I apologize to all Viking fans for causing these terrible blunders. I will try to never imagine a player in purple predraft again.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Just to add some gas to fire, guy on NFL Network this morning said that he's been hearing that the Vikings front office is "the envy of the league."
LOL, I sincerely doubt this. For what reason? This isn't directed at you at all, Maroon, you are just sharing what you heard on NFLN. But what has the Viking's front office achieved? Nothing. Who would possibly be saying this, you know? Fans online maybe? Certainly not any NFL executives.
The implication was that it was other NFL front offices he has spoken to, many of which have tried to lure away George Paton, who will again be a hot commodity in the off season. He specifically mentioned the Bradford trade, bringing in Case Keenum to back him up, recent contract extensions, Dalvin Cook, etc.
Envy of the league? I don't know about that, but I think a wise owner looking for a GM would look at the moves he makes, the talent he brings to the roster, and the talent he's able to retain, and would not pay too much attention to wins and losses. Obviously, far too many other factors come into play for that. Coaching, injuries, schedule, luck.
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