Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
You really just said that? It's a syllogistic fallacy. If Jerry Falwell was a Baptist and that's bad. Is it also bad that Martin Luther King was a Baptist? The fallacy being that being Baptist (or Catholic) is bad in the first place.
I actually like that she's Catholic. Among Evangelicals the bigger nuts tend to be on the Protestant side. Not that she's not a nut.
That is so tolerant of you.
Biden isn't really Catholic. To be a person of a certain faith, you have to adhere to the tenets of that faith. Or at least try.
What tenet of the faith does he not adhere to?
which ones does he adhere to?
Which one do you adhere to?
Bah...never mind. I'll concede that Jesus loves you more.
Abortion is the easy one. You cannot be Catholic and believe in abortion. Its like one of their main things.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Biden's had one.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
You really just said that? It's a syllogistic fallacy. If Jerry Falwell was a Baptist and that's bad. Is it also bad that Martin Luther King was a Baptist? The fallacy being that being Baptist (or Catholic) is bad in the first place.
I actually like that she's Catholic. Among Evangelicals the bigger nuts tend to be on the Protestant side. Not that she's not a nut.
Of course I just said that. (well yesterday anyway) Newsweek crossed the line trying to smear Mrs Barrett's religion especially when the person they have a hard on for is allegedly part of same dang one. She's part of a group of Christians that from what I am able to figure out does nothing wrong other then being a community outreach group. They built some schools and are trying to help the poor. My gosh call the press!!!!!
Is this what the left demonizes today??? I guess if you cannot fabricate sexual misconduct this is next in line?
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DERRPPP. . . . but the FOUNDERS!!!!!
Yes, the founders who wanted the separation of church and state. Not someone who judges on judicial matters with her dogma as the basis for decision making.
So were the founders wrong now? Or are we cherry picking what they wanted? I mean you bible fans love to pick the parts that are applicable, but are we doing this now with the intent of the constitution.
Speaking of
She's an originalist, while the actual originalists wanted the constitution to be redone with the changing of the times. Jefferson wanted it ripped up every 19 years.
So is this about Americans, the republic, democracy or is it really about power and control?
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
You really just said that? It's a syllogistic fallacy. If Jerry Falwell was a Baptist and that's bad. Is it also bad that Martin Luther King was a Baptist? The fallacy being that being Baptist (or Catholic) is bad in the first place.
I actually like that she's Catholic. Among Evangelicals the bigger nuts tend to be on the Protestant side. Not that she's not a nut.
That is so tolerant of you.
Biden isn't really Catholic. To be a person of a certain faith, you have to adhere to the tenets of that faith. Or at least try.
What tenet of the faith does he not adhere to?
which ones does he adhere to?
You made the claim that he wasn't, you know it all, share your knowledge. Bad sophist rhetoric is very annoying, good can be entertaining, but your shtick is too simplistic.
That’s all he does.
He plays his usual one note tune, when asked for evidence or a source he runs away.
Pumpf does the same. It’s what faux Christians do as part of their holier than thou entitlement shtick.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
You really just said that? It's a syllogistic fallacy. If Jerry Falwell was a Baptist and that's bad. Is it also bad that Martin Luther King was a Baptist? The fallacy being that being Baptist (or Catholic) is bad in the first place.
I actually like that she's Catholic. Among Evangelicals the bigger nuts tend to be on the Protestant side. Not that she's not a nut.
That is so tolerant of you.
Biden isn't really Catholic. To be a person of a certain faith, you have to adhere to the tenets of that faith. Or at least try.
What tenet of the faith does he not adhere to?
which ones does he adhere to?
Which one do you adhere to?
Bah...never mind. I'll concede that Jesus loves you more.
Abortion is the easy one. You cannot be Catholic and believe in abortion. Its like one of their main things.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Biden's had one.
Well, I would guess he hasn't either. I'm not catholic so don't know church discipline. He does like to promote the fact that he is catholic yet actively supports abortion. Does this mean he loses standing in the church? I don't know. I do recall that he was denied communion during the primary season in South Carolina.
For those interested, here is the take of one catholic theologian on the topic: https://theconversation.com/why-joe-bide...rch-126171
I'm not interested in an abortion debate. Found it to be an interesting topic on why a pro abortion politician was denied communion. The church has a right to their own discipline procedures and I am in no position to judge them one way or another.
I prefer his position over the promoters of rapist and incest rights.
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I prefer his position over the promoters of rapist and incest rights.
Very dark thoughts, don't know who you are referring to as promoters of rapist and incest rights. Such my post dealt with the catholic church, are you stating they support rights to rape and incest? Or, more likely, your comment was in response an unattributed comment someone else made. Have a sunshine day in Iowa Al.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
You really just said that? It's a syllogistic fallacy. If Jerry Falwell was a Baptist and that's bad. Is it also bad that Martin Luther King was a Baptist? The fallacy being that being Baptist (or Catholic) is bad in the first place.
I actually like that she's Catholic. Among Evangelicals the bigger nuts tend to be on the Protestant side. Not that she's not a nut.
That is so tolerant of you.
Biden isn't really Catholic. To be a person of a certain faith, you have to adhere to the tenets of that faith. Or at least try.
What tenet of the faith does he not adhere to?
which ones does he adhere to?
Which one do you adhere to?
Bah...never mind. I'll concede that Jesus loves you more.
Abortion is the easy one. You cannot be Catholic and believe in abortion. Its like one of their main things.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Biden's had one.
While funny, Biden is pro-choice. You asked what tenet he wasn't adhering to and I gave you an answer. Catholicism and abortion are about as polar opposite as you can find.
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
You really just said that? It's a syllogistic fallacy. If Jerry Falwell was a Baptist and that's bad. Is it also bad that Martin Luther King was a Baptist? The fallacy being that being Baptist (or Catholic) is bad in the first place.
I actually like that she's Catholic. Among Evangelicals the bigger nuts tend to be on the Protestant side. Not that she's not a nut.
That is so tolerant of you.
Biden isn't really Catholic. To be a person of a certain faith, you have to adhere to the tenets of that faith. Or at least try.
What tenet of the faith does he not adhere to?
which ones does he adhere to?
Which one do you adhere to?
Bah...never mind. I'll concede that Jesus loves you more.
Abortion is the easy one. You cannot be Catholic and believe in abortion. Its like one of their main things.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Biden's had one.
Well, I would guess he hasn't either. I'm not catholic so don't know church discipline. He does like to promote the fact that he is catholic yet actively supports abortion. Does this mean he loses standing in the church? I don't know. I do recall that he was denied communion during the primary season in South Carolina.
For those interested, here is the take of one catholic theologian on the topic: https://theconversation.com/why-joe-biden-was-denied-communion-at-a-church-126171
I'm not interested in an abortion debate. Found it to be an interesting topic on why a pro abortion politician was denied communion. The church has a right to their own discipline procedures and I am in no position to judge them one way or another.
Supports abortion? I don’t know anyone who “supports abortion.” The issue is between those who want to criminalize it and those who want to keep it legal and safe. How do you feel about adultery? I’m guessing you might be opposed to it, think it morally wrong, but you probably don’t want the government rounding up cheating spouses.
Second, I think most everyone—muslims, jews, catholics, protestants, atheists—agree that fewer abortions are a good thing. But how do you go about reducing them? We’ve already seen what happens where abortion is criminalized. Abortions don’t stop; they’re just done in back alleys under unsafe conditions. Millions of them. And thousands of women die as a result. It’s been proven that the most effective way to reduce abortions is through sex education and birth control, programs that, ironically, the anti-abortion crowd wants to eliminate. Want to REALLY reduce abortion rates? Add universal healthcare to the mix. Think about it....if a scared, unemployed young woman knows that her child will have access to free healthcare, she's far more likely to carry the baby to term. Countries where abortion is legal AND there is universal healthcare have the lowest abortion rates in the world. Among developed countries, abortion rates are highest in the United States.
Third, not everyone believes that life, afforded all the rights of the Constitution, begins at fertilization. Or that ending an unintended pregnancy is morally wrong. I might believe that. You might believe that. Biden might believe that. But do any of us have the right to legislatively impose our view on a society that respects ALL opinions, a society in which obtaining an abortion is a constitutional right?
Finally, going back to the church, Christ never once spoke about abortion. If you believe in the divinity of Christ, that Jesus is “one with the father,” then you also believe that Christ knows all that has been and all that will be. And if that’s the case, then He knew abortion would be a hot topic in the late 20th and early 21st century. So why did He not bother to even mention it? I’ve heard some argue that abortion wasn’t a thing back then. But it was. The practice of ending unintended pregnancies had been going on for centuries before Christ, going back to the ancient Greeks. So why not mention it? He sure as shootin’ makes it crystal clear what He thought about money, greed, poverty, et al…topics many anti-abortion folks don’t seem to give a shit about.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
I prefer his position over the promoters of rapist and incest rights.
Really? That how you want to go about this? Talk about straw man.
Biden is clearly pro abortion rights as is the Democratic party. In fact Pierz stated that pro-lifers were no longer welcome in the party.
I was merely discussing Biden cloaking himself in his catholic beliefs yet he stands at odds with his church's teaching. It is a hypocritical stance, yet many American catholics fall within the same hypocrisy. I was curious if there was church discipline and if so how was it carried out. My link provided the answer, it varies.
I don't have time to get into abortion debate. Not running, just don't have time nor does it ever resolve anything and is merely a big waste of time.
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