...so, no straight-up debate or defense is likely, then.
Kinda figured.
Quote: @Zanary said:
Actually, I was asking how he could pay $2Million for an American that was wrongly jailed, tortured, and returned terminally broken?
That's...horrific. It's a good thing that I DON'T run the country, because that would've likely led to the kind of tensions/showdown that the world fears if I'd been behind the desk.
I'm no special pleader for Trump, but I'll say this.
First of all, Trump denies it (paying 1.7 or 2.0 mil, figure varies) altho a State Dept official avers to it.
Personally, I would tend to believe the State Dept official, not Trump.
There... I said it. Is that what you're looking for?
That said, I'm not sure I'd believe ANYTHING the press reports that have to do with hostage negotiations.
ALL administrations, Dem or Rep, CANNOT PUBLICLY admit to offering money for return for hostages.
HORRIBLE precedent/message to send. Agreed?
But you know negotiations are going on, behind the scenes.
(You'd think that would be one area we could rally around as 'Merkins... guess not)
I'm sure Otto Warmbier's parents were permanent fixtures on Capitol Hill to get their son back, by hook or crook.
Just like any American parents would. I know I would.
This is total speculation.
If "Rocket Man" communicated that a price of just under 2 mil to secure the release of Otto....hell... the Warmbier's could
raise that in a week on "gofundme". 2 mil in Wash. dollars is a fin to you and me. Good chance Trump approved it, imo.
BTW, I did not/was not one of those who had a problem with the Chelsea Manning/Obama trade. Check the record (if you can find it  )
It was a lopsided trade (Chelsea for 5 terrorists), to be sure... but it's worth the last known American captured serviceman's return
from Afghanistan. Now... the Obama commutation of Manning's sentence? That's another story.
Was Warmbier wrongly jailed, tortured, and returned terminally broken?
Yes.
This will be impolitic, but has to be asked.
WTF was Otto doing in NorK in the first place?
And I don't believe you'd initiate the "launch codes" over a singular American held hostage, despite you saying you would.
I like you, Zanary. You make me think.
Quote: @Zanary said:
Actually, I was asking how he could pay $2Million for an American that was wrongly jailed, tortured, and returned terminally broken?
That's...horrific. It's a good thing that I DON'T run the country, because that would've likely led to the kind of tensions/showdown that the world fears if I'd been behind the desk.
I dont have a good andwer for this other then atleast the parents got to bury him. That is the only silver linning. The rest just plain sucks.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
@ KingBash said:
@ Zanary said:
Well.
It appears that asking a Trump supporter to actually explain/defend one of his bigger blunders without immediately changing the subject to something years gone on Obama's watch was too much to ask.
Haha A1 has no arguments left so he's resorted to simply downvoting facts.
It takes a long time to back Trump supporters into a corner where they're forced to shut up because they're out of arguments, but this is what it looks like: the "thumbs down" when they've lost.
Nah. give it time.
I will be back to laugh at you idiots. The truth is coming out.
Indictments of Obama officials. Watch. They are treasonous scumbags.
Promises promises.
The weeks are turning into months.
The truth is out - Trump's a lying con man, a proven failure at running his businesses into the ground, now he claims he purposely lost billions in order to save millions in taxes ... and just admitted to tax fraud.
Oh, and Don Jr. just got subpoenaed by REPUBLICANS.
You're going to be on suicide watch pretty soon.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ A1Janitor said:
@ KingBash said:
@ Zanary said:
Well.
It appears that asking a Trump supporter to actually explain/defend one of his bigger blunders without immediately changing the subject to something years gone on Obama's watch was too much to ask.
Haha A1 has no arguments left so he's resorted to simply downvoting facts.
It takes a long time to back Trump supporters into a corner where they're forced to shut up because they're out of arguments, but this is what it looks like: the "thumbs down" when they've lost.
Nah. give it time.
I will be back to laugh at you idiots. The truth is coming out.
Indictments of Obama officials. Watch. They are treasonous scumbags.
Promises promises.
The weeks are turning into months.
The truth is out - Trump's a lying con man, a proven failure at running his businesses into the ground, now he claims he purposely lost billions in order to save millions in taxes ... and just admitted to tax fraud.
Oh, and Don Jr. just got subpoenaed by REPUBLICANS.
You're going to be on suicide watch pretty soon.
You really haven’t paid atrention have you?
Stupid.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ KingBash said:
Oh look, Donnie used executive privilege for the "entirety of the subpoenaed materials" in the Mueller Report.
A totally transparent, innocent man with nothing to hide!
Funny, the document that "totally exonerates" Trump is being held hostage by Trump himself. If he was so innocent you know he'd be broadcasting it on a billboard you could view from space.
Just like he's a stable genius who had his grades hidden.
Just like he's a billionaire who refuses to show his taxes.
Dear Trump supporters, can you still not see a pattern of behavior emerging yet from the man of 10,000 lies?
Reports say about a 2% redacted report (2% due to 6e regs/sources-methods) has been available to Congess for days.
As of fairly recently, very few (almost no) members of Congress have reviewed the full/2% redacted report.
(I stand to be corrected on this, as that was the reportage a few days ago)
Grades hidden? Where's Obama's college transcripts?
MSM moves heaven/earth to find Bush's college record (found!)/Trump's tax records(found!)... but GOOOOLLLLLY... nothing on Obama's
college records. STYMIED. lmao
I love the NYT's 'scoop' yesterday.
A NYT review re: the exact same information:
Oct 2016: Trump's past suspect. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/nyreg...-debt.html
That was supposed to be the Dem October surprise (his downfall), since Trump was the GOP nominee.
Back in 1995, Trump was the "Crowning the Comeback Kid "... celebrating Tump as one of the few survivors of the NYC real-estate crash
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/25/nyreg...-king.html
Yesterday: Trump lost billions (and wrote off billions in taxes -- perfectly legal)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019...google.com&gwh=ADBF2345D29DC4629384AD4880EB874D&gwt=pay
Same info. 3 different takes. How schizophrenic is the Grey Lady? And Trump is mental?
Hell.... Trump admitted it to the world years ago he lost billions....
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9cMuMb2pk
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9cMuMb2pk
About taxes. Regrettably..... I must take myself out of consideration for any future consideration for POTUS.
(I know, mellon collie and infinite sadness)
You see, I bought real estate when I moved to Georgia in 2005. Fairly high income job. Got caught up in the RE bubble (didn't know it was a bubble, at the time)
I bought a main house (254k) , an oceanside condo on HHI (195k) and a lot on a promising golf-course subdivision (150k).
3 yrs later, the 'bubble burst'. 2007-8.
My house hung tough, by my oceanside condo was worth 95k (down from 195k) and my lot on the promising golf-course was worth 90k.
Net loss of 160k, on paper. Future wasn't lookin' bright.
I was IRS audited in 2013. Small businessman, llc. Figures.
Had done TurboTax for years, but hired an accountant, for the field audit.
In the meantime, sold the condo for 130k (65k loss) sold the lot for 95k (60k loss).
Turns out, per my accountant, I could deduct 3k a year from my taxes on the lot. (3k a year until total of 60k) until reaches total of 60k.
I could deduct (65k divided by 28% --my tax bracket, or about 15k) as a one-time deduction from one year's taxes.
Turbo-Tax had not alerted me to this.
Point is... if MY simple situation has so many permutations... can you imagine DJT's (NYC commercial real-estate mogul) situation?
Undergoing the only NYC commercial real-estate negative correction, in the last 100 yrs? (other than 2007-2010)
new york city commercial real estate correction in 90's graph
1984-1995... the yr's the NYT's happened to find his
"tax transcripts" (not actual tax returns)? lol
I sat down with an IRS agent from 9-5 in September of 2013.
She went over every aspect of my financial life for a full day. Full bank records, full business records.
I ended the day owing an additional 2K, to the IRS.
Thankful she decided not to go back 7 years of returns. Thankful that was all.
If you work your life as an employee, W-2's... withholding, etc. Cool. You'll never be subject to an IRS audit.
If you're an entrepreneur....llc.... etc.... you're a TARGET.
I had one CPA I was interviewing that moved to Savannah from NYC... and that the IRS pulls a heavy % of NYC returns, de rigueur. (anecdote)
There are career politicians that structure their tax returns expecting public inspection.
Then, there are businessmen/entrepreneurs that structure their tax returns to give the govt everything their entitled to, and not a penny more.
Trump was a NYC-commercial real estate mogul.
If he paid 0.01 more than he owed? He had shitty CPA's/tax lawyers, but was well tax-return-positioned for a career in politics, lol.
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Dear Trump supporters, can you still not see a pattern of behavior emerging yet from the man of 10,000 lies?
I can't speak for the Trump-niks, but I can point out that the Hildebeast has, similarly, been decried as a cosmic-level liar for ages...
...just like her hubby...
...so, while I don't excuse Emperor Cheeto's fan club, I similarly have no idea why his main opponent in 2016 has any fans that think they can judge anyone.
Because I loathed Hillary, so I'm allowed to be critical of Trump. I railed against her over and over and over again.
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