Quote: @savannahskol said:
@ KingBash said:
And at the end of the day, let's say this was a massive conspiracy to steal a SC seat... good. Steal the seat. Republicans stole one from Obama. Nobody talks about that enough. It was LITERALLY STOLEN by these hypocritical children. So if everything comes out and we find out Dr. Ford is some Manchurian Candidate style operative... okay!
What do you mean, Repubs stole one from Obama?
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/29/624467256/what-happened-with-merrick-garland-in-2016-and-why-it-matters-now
Quote:Supreme Court picks have often been controversial. There have been contentious hearings and floor debates and contested votes. But to ignore the nominee entirely, as if no vacancy existed?
There was no precedent for such an action since the period around the Civil War and Reconstruction. No Democratic president had made an appointment while Republicans held the Senate since 1895.
In a speech that August in Kentucky, McConnell would say: "One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.' "
McConnell was not alone. The 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter saying they had no intention of consenting to any nominee from Obama. No proceedings of any kind were held on Garland's appointment.
That's why I said I really won't feel too bad if Democrats somehow shut this down for Republicans.*
* I do want to clarify something, and I haven't been very clear in previous posts. I do NOT mean that they should orchestrate some smear campaign against Kavanaugh if he truly is a choir-boy. That'd be too fucked up, and if that were exposed as their strategy then even I'd throw up my hands. But as I've stated, it's my opinion she's telling the truth.
And I actually don't think he's some sexual predator. I think he was an entitled 17 year old who would black out a LOT and act like a wild-boy with a boner, not realizing the effects he was having on girls. Like a lot of boys that age. If he'd have come out and calmly said something like, "The truth is, when I was younger, I enjoyed partying far too much. And although I don't recall what Dr. Ford is saying, it's possible I behaved badly and for that I'm very sorry." And then he can go back to stating his case about how that was a young, irresponsible man and he's now a father and a husband, etc. I'd actually have respected that, but the more people come forward and say how full of shit he is about his pristine image, I just dislike the guy.
But back to your point about Obama nominating Garland, the Republicans hated him that much that they simply refused to let him do anything. Well... this is the political climate both sides have created. Now the Democrats are - in my opinion - capitalizing on this experience that Dr. Ford reported on in July.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ Bezerker88 said:
Nope what I'm saying is something happened to her and she believes it was him. She just needs evidence to back it up. Her witnesses do not corroborate her story. Her best friend(key witness) says that she does not remember attending a party that Kavanaugh was at.
There was nothing credible about her testimony that I saw as far as details. Memories are tricky... From a 2013 article(so there no changing to fit the needs of the current issue)
Now, leaders in memory research don’t think that’s the way the mind
works at all. Instead, they’ve come to believe that memories actually
are fluid things, subject to alteration every time they’re retrieved.
When a long-term memory is recalled, it becomes temporarily fungible and
goes through a rebuilding process known as reconsolidation. Which
suggests that memories, even terrible ones, can be changed during that
period when they’re once again unstable.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/what-scientists-now-know-about-repairing-memories-1566240/
So once again, she could be remembering it wrong but yet at the same time believe she's telling the truth. I believe something bad happened to her. I'm just not convinced(since she cannot remember the exact date and other details about that night) that she is remembering it correctly. Then there's this list... I'll post one of them.
8) In another inconsistency, Ford told The Washington
Post she was upset when Trump won in 2016, because Kavanaugh was
mentioned as a Supreme Court pick. But Kavanaugh wasn’t added to Trump’s
list of possibles until November 2017, a full year later.
https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/eight-big-...rds-story/
short versions of two others - Her immediate family do not back her story. Father, mother, brothers are no shows in signing backing letters. Her 2012 therapist notes which she contends back her story.. do not mention Kavanaugh... the notes say 4 boys were in the bedroom, she now says two... notes also say she was in her late teens.... now it's 15.
Not sure how anyone can say she's credible.
That's why Mark Judge is in hiding and until recently refused to testify under oath that it didn't happen.
Also: she detailed this to her therapist like 7 years ago. Naming the assailant as a man who could somebody end up on the SC.
All I'm trying to get some of you guys to do is admit you just want him nominated because of his beliefs. I've admitted why I DON'T want him nominated, but that doesn't change the allegations.
I would prefer he not be nominated. I was not a fan. But this character assassination from the left is just ugly. Her testimony was compelling, but too many inconsistencies. From the numbers of people there, to most of the details being missing. No one, even the person who would have had to drive her home, seems to corroborate. The polygraph is a sham IMO. She wasn't asked the right questions to make it worth anything.
But the most damning part is on the Democrats. Instead of helping this woman, they leaked it, they used her and in no way tried to help. Now they are fundraising to make up for it. If they cared about her, about the truth, they would have had her do a legit interview with someone who knew how to interview assault victims. They are despicable in their handling of her, and how they used her to smear Kavanaugh.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
None of us knows the truth. We're just making deductions based on observations. The two observations that say a lot to me are these: One of them wants an FBI investigation, the other does not. One of them wanted to take a lie detector test (and did, and passed), the other did not, citing their "unreliability," despite writing just two years ago about how "valuable" they were in law enforcement.
And to those who claim she's just doing this for political reasons, that's pretty hard to accept when you consider she's been telling people about this for years.
As always, John Fuselgang has something good to say about it.
The Senate Judiciary Committee has:
-6 men who opposed the Violence Against Women Act
-hiring 1 man credibly accused of sexual assault
-to protect a POTUS who bragged on tape about committing sexual assault
-who all plan to criminalize abortion & incarcerate women.
What a load of BS.
The POTUS who signed the bill to keep funding Planned Parenthood? "Credibly accused"? WTF is that? incarcerate women? You actually believe all that shit?
What about the credible accusers a past years? The ones that were shamed and driven away? Give me a break.
Picked this up from another site....
Here's Christine Ford’s timeline:
1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone.
1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing.
July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing.
2004, 2005 - she said nothing.
May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing.
June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing.
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing.
2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities.
2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
Picked this up from another site....
Here's Christine Ford’s timeline:
1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone.
1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing.
July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing.
2004, 2005 - she said nothing.
May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing.
June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing.
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing.
2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities.
2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations.
Okay. But Kavanaugh has lied repeatedly and shown some of his true colors in a short period of time. I don't want a guy like that on the SC. Allegations or not.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Picked this up from another site....
Here's Christine Ford’s timeline:
1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone.
1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing.
July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing.
2004, 2005 - she said nothing.
May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing.
June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing.
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing.
2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities.
2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations.
Okay. But Kavanaugh has lied repeatedly and shown some of his true colors in a short period of time. I don't want a guy like that on the SC. Allegations or not.
thats fine, I dont know what he has lied about as I am not really following this whole situation that closely, but I find this unsubstantiated sexual allegation shit show to be tabloid level and about as disgusting as could be. I had to defend myself against bull shit started by an ex girlfriend years ago or face expulsion from college and when its he said she said... its damn tough, especially when her parents get involved. I think there should be financial consequences for bringing false allegation for anything, but especially things of a sexual nature as they are about as dark as it can get.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Picked this up from another site....
Here's Christine Ford’s timeline:
1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone.
1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing.
July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing.
2004, 2005 - she said nothing.
May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing.
June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing.
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing.
2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities.
2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations.
Okay. But Kavanaugh has lied repeatedly and shown some of his true colors in a short period of time. I don't want a guy like that on the SC. Allegations or not.
thats fine, I dont know what he has lied about as I am not really following this whole situation that closely, but I find this unsubstantiated sexual allegation shit show to be tabloid level and about as disgusting as could be. I had to defend myself against bull shit started by an ex girlfriend years ago or face expulsion from college and when its he said she said... its damn tough, especially when her parents get involved. I think there should be financial consequences for bringing false allegation for anything, but especially things of a sexual nature as they are about as dark as it can get.
I actually think we agree almost all the way on through on this. I'm literally repeating myself but I don't think he's some evil rapist, I think he acted like an aggressive, drunk "kid" and has obviously grown up since then. And a judge being elected to that level shouldn't have this character flaw that doesn't allow him to step back, admit that he's acted like a shit head in the past, apologize for it, etc. (Again, this is all based on the fact that I believe her testimony and think the other women should be heard too.)
I'm definitely sensitive to taking a magnifying glass to all of our behavior from high school and college. And the seriousness of a few allegations with little evidence. As to your situation with an ex, as I detailed in this thread, I can obviously relate. That shit is HORRIFYING.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Picked this up from another site....
Here's Christine Ford’s timeline:
1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone.
1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing.
July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing.
2004, 2005 - she said nothing.
May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing.
June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing.
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing.
2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities.
2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations.
Okay. But Kavanaugh has lied repeatedly and shown some of his true colors in a short period of time. I don't want a guy like that on the SC. Allegations or not.
thats fine, I dont know what he has lied about as I am not really following this whole situation that closely, but I find this unsubstantiated sexual allegation shit show to be tabloid level and about as disgusting as could be. I had to defend myself against bull shit started by an ex girlfriend years ago or face expulsion from college and when its he said she said... its damn tough, especially when her parents get involved. I think there should be financial consequences for bringing false allegation for anything, but especially things of a sexual nature as they are about as dark as it can get.
I actually think we agree almost all the way on through on this. I'm literally repeating myself but I don't think he's some evil rapist, I think he acted like an aggressive, drunk "kid" and has obviously grown up since then. And a judge being elected to that level shouldn't have this character flaw that doesn't allow him to step back, admit that he's acted like a shit head in the past, apologize for it, etc. (Again, this is all based on the fact that I believe her testimony and think the other women should be heard too.)
I'm definitely sensitive to taking a magnifying glass to all of our behavior from high school and college. And the seriousness of a few allegations with little evidence. As to your situation with an ex, as I detailed in this thread, I can obviously relate. That shit is HORRIFYING.
i believe something happened to her... and thats where I quit believing her. the inconsistencies to her story as well as the timing of the allegations are to suspect for me to accept. that and the fact that there have been many women to say the he isnt that kind of person. (maybe he was as a kid, but I just have my doubts) maybe its the fact that she is a liberal california college professor that has me questioning her intentions?
as far as him being fit to sit... not my decsion so I am not getting wrapped up in the drama of his appointment, but with this geraldo like circus surrounding this ford woman I couldnt help but read a little.
the abandonment of the presumption of innocence in a government hearing is the scariest thing the left has proposed. I agree with most of the posters here on that and that being said Dr. Ford should be heard but if she cannot prove or credibly back up her accusation the accusation shouldhave no effect on the process. If accusations alone are enough to derail a Nominee it is the end of Nominees because politics will destroy good qualified people on both sides.
just sickens me when these government officials get all morally indignant when they have paid off millions in sexual harrassment hush money.
Forget the sexual assaults, Kavanaugh is unfit for SCOTUS. A lifetime appointment as a judge to the highest court we have should be squeaky clean. He is far from it. I don't care that he drank, I do care that he lies about it or attempts to minimize it. Devil's triangle is a drinking game? Bullshit, everyone knows that is a MMF 3sum. A calendar proves nothing. What teen boy is going to mark on his calendar "kegger at Biff's"? And the drinking age comments - BK tried to insinuate that he was of legal age when Maryland grandfathered in 18 yr olds when they bumped it to 21. He was still 17. And he really has tried to minimize his drinking habits, while numerous witnesses and classmates and his roommate have repeatedly called him a belligerent, aggressive drunk. Now we have a Yale classmate who said he threw a beer in a guy's face and started a fight that landed another guy in jail. That's assault. Take the politics and feelings out of it, all of this paints a picture of a person's character and I'd say where there's smoke there's fire and he certainly sounds like an entitled jagoff that's capable of doing the things Dr. Ford accused him of. Is it proof? Nope, but this isn't a criminal trial, it's a job interview about the character of a man who tries to paint himself as a choirboy and he was far from it. I also have issue that the ABA pulled their recommendation from him in 2002 because he was too biased in his court decisions.
Men who are willing to tell the little lies about stupid shit whether it's their drinking habits or crowd sizes tend to lie about bigger stuff too. I realize Republicans have no issue about electing a POTUS that bragged about sexual assaults and lies more than any politician in history, but we are talking about a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS. America deserves better. Republicans need to find their long-forgotten morals and family values and realize Kavanaugh is unfit to serve as SCOTUS. The defiant rage and anger, the hostility of turning the questions around on Senators "Well have YOU ever blacked out"? SCOTUS judges should be honest, fair, impartial, non-partisan ... Kavanaugh is none of that.
And if you want to know why Trump and the GOP are so eager to ram this prick through so fast, google the upcoming docket for Gamble vs. United States. Orrin Hatch has a hard-on for this one, because if it gets overturned there is a very high chance that any federal pardons could prevent law enforcement agencies bringing any kind of charges brought forth by the state. Know anyone who might fit that bill?
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