Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@Geoff Nichols...I'd prefer him over Murray if I had to choose who to pay equal dollar amounts to. He probably will have the opportunity to get a larger role. But in Jet's mind if the Vikings move on from Murray is that a big enough role? Its all subjective.
In a vacuum I'd probably agree. But considering Cook is coming back, I'd rather pair him with Murray than Jet.
I kind of was looking at it a vacuum I guess. But I agree with you. Murray/Cook is a better combo than Jet/Cook since you'd need a third body for the goal line.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@Geoff Nichols...I'd prefer him over Murray if I had to choose who to pay equal dollar amounts to. He probably will have the opportunity to get a larger role. But in Jet's mind if the Vikings move on from Murray is that a big enough role? Its all subjective.
In a vacuum I'd probably agree. But considering Cook is coming back, I'd rather pair him with Murray than Jet.
I think we need to look at keeping Jet ( I dont think it happens) in that him and Cook are more similar in playing styles, if Cook were to go down again it would be nice to keep some sort of continuity to the running game. However, I think we can likely find a decent RB in the draft to complement Cook or to act as a similar style back up. when Cook is on, he will eat about 80% of the RB snaps so that doesnt leave much for a #3 guy if we do find a short yardage specialist type to run with Cook.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ medaille said:
What's the deal with Floyd and Treadwell having so little
production? You'd think that between the
2 of them, they'd be able to stumble into something that resembles an NFL
receiver, but combined they have less than 280 yards. Is there something in our scheme or something
in Case that is inhibiting them? Floyd
has had multiple years hovering around 1000 yds, so it’s not like he’s
completely worthless. I would hope that
any FA X receiver we bring in would at least be able to get at least 500 yards.
But even with the "limited opportunities behind Diggs/Thielen", long-overlooked Jarius Wright ultimately produced better than those highly-touted former #1 picks. I know Wright has different skills, and someone is bound to throw out a plug about Treadwell's amazing blocking value, but didn't Treadwell get at least 2 starts when Diggs was hurt?
I think the Vikings have lusted after this idea of the "X receiver" so long, dreaming of someone who fits a physical prototype, and yet they get the most from other receivers. I hope the next OC declares Jarius the #3 until someone takes the job through better play, not draft expectation.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
and what are the odds that Teddy wants to stay as a back up, or that Smith would come here if he has to compete with Teddy? They both want to be the #1 and both are likely not wanting to share snaps as Teddy needs all he can get to shake the rust off and any FA QB would want all they could get in a new system. I think Teddy will draw interest from a few teams that would have more attractive paths to the #1 spot than battling Smith in Minny. I wish we really knew how ready Teddy was to return. I can over look that little glimpse we saw against the bengals, just over amped, but just how ready is he to have guys flying around that knee?
I agree - if we trade for Alex Smith (an idea I really like), I think the other 3 veteran QBs would all leave, or try to. Maybe one of them will be disappointed by the free agent offers and stay here as Smith's backup. But Bridgewater is too young to sit behind Smith for 4 years. If his knee is healthy (yes, huge IF), I think another team will sign him and offer a chance to compete. He would love to play in Miami, and they might have an open competition.
Smith makes so much sense for all the reasons FSU and others cited, and because his age (about to turn 34) means he would not be a Favre-esque all-in one year shot (which would be the case with Brees). Smith could QB this team for the next 5 years. I'm just wondering about his contract status...spotrac says there is an option out before the 2018 season, so can he opt out or is it the team's option?
There is no option on Smith's deal. He strictly has a single year left on his current deal. The only real time piece is the $2M roster bonuses that is due when he reports to training camp. Not that $2M is a huge number, but it at least doesn't force the Chiefs to make a decision before or at the beginning of the league year.
Jor El both Thielen and Diggs get snaps out of the slot. How can Jarius be the #3 if he pretty much only plays out of the slot? You'd be taking reps away in the slot for your two best Receivers.
Whomever plays in the X spot will get more looks if the QB isn't Case. Don't care if it's Treadwell or someone else, but it ain't gonna be Wright.
Geoff, I can't see Rick going after Richardson. As you pointed out his production has dropped the last few years and there's character concerns.
The 3T is unfortunately going to need to be addressed with a high round pick, IMO,
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@Geoff Nichols...I'd prefer him over Murray if I had to choose who to pay equal dollar amounts to. He probably will have the opportunity to get a larger role. But in Jet's mind if the Vikings move on from Murray is that a big enough role? Its all subjective.
In a vacuum I'd probably agree. But considering Cook is coming back, I'd rather pair him with Murray than Jet.
I think we need to look at keeping Jet ( I dont think it happens) in that him and Cook are more similar in playing styles, if Cook were to go down again it would be nice to keep some sort of continuity to the running game. However, I think we can likely find a decent RB in the draft to complement Cook or to act as a similar style back up. when Cook is on, he will eat about 80% of the RB snaps so that doesnt leave much for a #3 guy if we do find a short yardage specialist type to run with Cook.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Ultimately it comes down to deciding between Murray & Jet. You aren't going to be able to afford the three of them together. The little wrinkle in Murray's deal is that his 2018 salary becomes fully guaranteed on 3/18 (4th day of new league year). So if he is still on the roster at that point he'll be here for the season.
EDIT - Just to build on that a little more, the Vikings actually save more cutting Murray this off-season ($5M savings) than they would next year. Murray's deal is also designed in a way that would make it tough to renegotiate (tough to push the money around). So this will be something to watch.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Jor El both Thielen and Diggs get snaps out of the slot. How can Jarius be the #3 if he pretty much only plays out of the slot? You'd be taking reps away in the slot for your two best Receivers.
Whomever plays in the X spot will get more looks if the QB isn't Case. Don't care if it's Treadwell or someone else, but it ain't gonna be Wright.
Geoff, I can't see Rick going after Richardson. As you pointed out his production has dropped the last few years and there's character concerns.
The 3T is unfortunately going to need to be addressed with a high round pick, IMO,
This is the same point regarding Treadwell I tried to make a few weeks ago. Although people thought it was an excuse, it really is the truth. Treadwell is solely an isolation player that has to lineup on the outside of the field. That doesn't mean Jarius isn't a better or more productive player. You have a 3-man cycle in the slot of Thielen/Diggs/Wright and you aren't taking either of those two off the field for Jarius. Eventually I think Shumur tried to get him some snaps but running more bunch formations. But this isn't a who's better argument between Wright and Treadwell. It's comparing apples to oranges.
As for Richardson, the Vikings really liked him pre-draft that year. They've shown a liking to grab those players though free agency when they've had the chance. But I still think it'd be a bit of a dream scenario.
I think either way, the Vikings should toll Bridgewaters contract - unless we plan to have him be our starter and sign him to a reasonable contract. He will be an asset we can trade. If we are going to lose him anyway, might as well get something sooner out of him than a comp pick. At worst with that contract I think you could get a 3rd round draft pick. I think we are going to need some more ammo to add some more assets to this team.
Quote: @Kmerry82 said:
I think either way, the Vikings should toll Bridgewaters contract - unless we plan to have him be our starter and sign him to a reasonable contract. He will be an asset we can trade. If we are going to lose him anyway, might as well get something sooner out of him than a comp pick. At worst with that contract I think you could get a 3rd round draft pick. I think we are going to need some more ammo to add some more assets to this team.
NFL by-laws prevent the Vikings from tolling the contract since Teddy would have been able to pass a physical prior to being removed from the PUP after week 6. The Vikings could challenge the league on the wording, but I wouldn't plan on Teddy's contract tolling. The NFLPA would have a fit over the case since it would lead to terrible precedence for them moving forward.
Also in the hypothetical case they were able to toll the contract, he has more value to the Vikings than anyone else at this point. Nobody is going to deal a 3rd round pick for an unknown commodity on a one year deal. The ability to toll would make it more practical to tag Case at $23M though since you'd be able to retain two potential starters for roughly $25M.
Thanks again Geoff...Good read!!
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