KAM....just take the deal, dude....

[Canthony]

I'm not 'crafting' anything, you are my man. Spinning it. Listen, we've both said our stuff on this, and if you take a moment, you know I've propped up KAM as recently as 2 or 3 weeks ago with free agency. Which draft by unbiased sources is one of the better drafts in the NFL?? The Addison draft?? Because they got a WR2 and nothing else? That's craftwork at its best, sir. And others besides myself agree. But also some others side with your viewpoint. Its all good from my perspective. Its good dialogue. I've given KAM a bunch of credit in the past for things other than the Draft, its all there in the pages of the board.

I was never on board with KAM, and I do question the relationship with all involved. I agree that it is strange that his contract wasn't coincided with KOC. Maybe KAM is just getting comfortable with the full time role and learning how to be in it. 

I can't dog on him for what he has and does do in FA. I truly believe that analytics help with that area. He doesn't just sign a bunch of names. You can tell just how strategic it really is. It almost is like an art in a way. Very thought out, and the contracts are absolutely flawless as well. All world credit there. 

This draft will be huge for him. You have 4 picks. What do you do with them? How are you going to work teams to work a trade down? If you can't trade down, what are you going to do with the limited picks you have. Very challenging draft IMO. I am reserving anything until after that. Be curious to see how it shakes out.

[pattersaur]

Kwesi stinks at drafting so far, but seems to be improving. Optimism and interest are sky high for the coming season, I love where the roster is, the roster turnover while competing has been impressive, and we don't have any albatross contracts on the books that I can see.... So what's the problem?

The locker room was a DISASTER where the leaders of the organization-- the coach and the GM-- didn't even speak to each other when KAM came in. You can't make this stuff up. The players were old and expectations were low. To go from that to today in just a few years is impressive.

I said this same thing a week ago in a similar thread but maybe it bears repeating.

[MaroonBells]

I'm not 'crafting' anything, you are my man. Spinning it. Listen, we've both said our stuff on this, and if you take a moment, you know I've propped up KAM as recently as 2 or 3 weeks ago with free agency. Which draft by unbiased sources is one of the better drafts in the NFL?? The Addison draft?? Because they got a WR2 and nothing else? That's craftwork at its best, sir. And others besides myself agree. But also some others side with your viewpoint. Its all good from my perspective. Its good dialogue. I've given KAM a bunch of credit in the past for things other than the Draft, its all there in the pages of the board.

Yes, the 2023 draft is the only one in question. You have to remember that a good third of that first round were busts or close to it (see their names in a previous post). So just the fact that neither of our first two picks could be considered busts probably puts our draft in the middle at the very least. And the fact that Addison, the 4th receiver taken in a run of 4 receivers, had 10 TDs and had a better year than any of the other 1st round receivers, solidifies that. That, combined with Blackmon, who was the 18th DB taken, but finished with the 3rd highest PFF grade among all DBs from that draft, pushes it up even further. 

Top 10 in one review. Top 8 in another. And one of only three teams to receive an A+ on the third one. You're welcome to consider it a bad draft, but that's just a lack of context. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1010...ie-seasons
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranki...ck-top-10/
https://mysticsandstatistics.com/2023-nf...ear-later/

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I was never on board with KAM, and I do question the relationship with all involved. I agree that it is strange that his contract wasn't coincided with KOC. Maybe KAM is just getting comfortable with the full time role and learning how to be in it. 

I can't dog on him for what he has and does do in FA. I truly believe that analytics help with that area. He doesn't just sign a bunch of names. You can tell just how strategic it really is. It almost is like an art in a way. Very thought out, and the contracts are absolutely flawless as well. All world credit there. 

This draft will be huge for him. You have 4 picks. What do you do with them? How are you going to work teams to work a trade down? If you can't trade down, what are you going to do with the limited picks you have. Very challenging draft IMO. I am reserving anything until after that. Be curious to see how it shakes out.

Why?

[Canthony]

Yes, the 2023 draft is the only one in question. You have to remember that a good third of that first round were busts or close to it (see their names in a previous post). So just the fact that neither of our first two picks could be considered busts probably puts our draft in the middle at the very least. And the fact that Addison, the 4th receiver taken in a run of 4 receivers, had 10 TDs and had a better year than any of the other 1st round receivers, solidifies that. That, combined with Blackmon, who was the 18th DB taken, but finished with the 3rd highest PFF grade among all DBs from that draft, pushes it up even further. 

Top 10 in one review. Top 8 in another. And one of only three teams to receive an A+ on the third one. You're welcome to consider it a bad draft, but that's just a lack of context. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1010...ie-seasons
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranki...ck-top-10/
https://mysticsandstatistics.com/2023-nf...ear-later/

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Why?

Can't forget about Khyree Jackson as well. I was super high on him in the 24 draft. Sad that he passed the way he did. I wish Blackmon never got injured. I think we all do, but it will be interesting to see how that pans out.

[StickierBuns]

Yes, the 2023 draft is the only one in question. You have to remember that a good third of that first round were busts or close to it (see their names in a previous post). So just the fact that neither of our first two picks could be considered busts probably puts our draft in the middle at the very least. And the fact that Addison, the 4th receiver taken in a run of 4 receivers, had 10 TDs and had a better year than any of the other 1st round receivers, solidifies that. That, combined with Blackmon, who was the 18th DB taken, but finished with the 3rd highest PFF grade among all DBs from that draft, pushes it up even further. 

Top 10 in one review. Top 8 in another. And one of only three teams to receive an A+ on the third one. You're welcome to consider it a bad draft, but that's just a lack of context. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1010...ie-seasons
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranki...ck-top-10/
https://mysticsandstatistics.com/2023-nf...ear-later/

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Why?

lol, ok. Listen......I'm good with stopping the disagreement because its just silly now. Addison is A+, no doubt. If you want to judge a Draft by one player, I won't stop you. There are so many 'sites' out there, I'm sure I could find a few that rate the 2022 draft as a B-. We're all KAM haters, we just don't realize it.

[pattersaur]

"You drafted all the right players, they just didn't play good"

[MaroonBells]

lol, ok. Listen......I'm good with stopping the disagreement because its just silly now. Addison is A+, no doubt. If you want to judge a Draft by one player, I won't stop you. There are so many 'sites' out there, I'm sure I could find a few that rate the 2022 draft as a B-. We're all KAM haters, we just don't realize it.

No, you just lack context.

[comet52]

I was in favor of hiring KAM from day one and recall arguing with people about it. I felt going non-traditional, non-scout at g.m. had possibilities, and that he was a really bright guy.

And he's proven to be good everywhere except in the draft. If the ridiculous price paid for Dallas Turner doesn't end up with us having a superstar of a player, that would be two huge draft day stink bombs in a short three years. The trade in 2022 was an abject failure along with Booth, Cine, Ingram and passing on Hamilton.

I get that we have some world-class spin masters here telling us he's made of Teflon but he's not.

That said, I've never doubted for a second that he'll be extended. Doing the contract in the midst of the busiest time of year for a g.m. might be a reason for the delay.

If you're the sort who has to believe a deep intrigue lies behind every simple thing that happens in life, then I'll make one up for you: The Wilfs, unhappy with the rocky drafting, delayed the deal and asked KAM to come up with a plan to fix scouting and drafting. The expectation is that he will have it ready after busy season, then they will approve it, re-sign him and he will put the plan in place while he goes on to finally build us a SB winner.

[Canthony]

I was in favor of hiring KAM from day one and recall arguing with people about it.  I felt going non-traditional, non-scout at g.m. had possibilities, and that he was a really bright guy.

And he's proven to be good everywhere except in the draft.  If the ridiculous price paid for Dallas Turner doesn't end up with us having a superstar of a player, that would be two huge draft day stink bombs in a short three years.  The trade in 2022 was an abject failure along with Booth, Cine, Ingram and passing on Hamilton.

I get that we have some world-class spin masters here telling us he's made of Teflon but he's not.

That said, I've never doubted for a second that he'll be extended.  Doing the contract in the midst of the busiest time of year for a g.m. might be a reason for the delay.

If you're the sort who has to believe a deep intrigue lies behind every simple thing that happens in life, then I'll make one up for you: The Wilfs, unhappy with the rocky drafting, delayed the deal and asked KAM to come up with a plan to fix scouting and drafting.  The expectation is that he will have it ready after busy season, then they will approve it, re-sign him and he will put the plan in place while he goes on to finally build us a SB winner.

I think the trade up for Turner was an absolute A move by KAM. I give him hell a credit for it. Turner was super young when drafted, he was behind players that knew the system and were playing well. Took him a minute to get the complexity of it. The last 7 weeks he was really impressive, however. The percentage of hurries he had on the QB per snap, disruptions he had when he was in the play. Maybe someone, that can afford PFF, can post stats of it. The last few weeks Turner was impressive. Always around the ball and in the right spot. I consider that trade up very impressive. Just my opinion that is.

[StickierBuns]

I think the trade up for Turner was an absolute A move by KAM. I give him hell a credit for it. Turner was super young when drafted, he was behind players that knew the system and were playing well. Took him a minute to get the complexity of it. The last 7 weeks he was really impressive, however. The percentage of hurries he had on the QB per snap, disruptions he had when he was in the play. Maybe someone, that can afford PFF, can post stats of it. The last few weeks Turner was impressive. Always around the ball and in the right spot. I consider that trade up very impressive. Just my opinion that is.

Its only good if Turner pans out. Verse has been the superior player in Year 1 and he was there for the taking. Big, big year for Dallas. Fingers crossed. He'll need to beat the one on ones he'll go against.