Quote: @Zanary said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ Zanary said:
@ pattersaur said:
I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.
Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?
My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).
That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.
Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain.
I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player.
First of all...hell no to Wilson, he's right where McFlabb was when he began his descent from "contender" to "cooked".
I won't pretend to know which of the college bois will be available, with or without trades, because that's for scouting departments and the kinds of obsessors that have already submitted their 30th mock draft...of 2024.
All that said, Fields would not go anywhere without some sort of deal, and that means investing in a top-level athlete that shows bottom-rung decision-making and maybe could be described as a worst case Josh Allen.
Yes, he can run, has a big arm, and can have some inspired play, even inspired games...but he's either got to make a seriies of HUGE mental strides and/or show to still be coachable despite Chicago incompetence. I don't believe he's fixable.
What makes you think Fields would require a new deal right away? He’s signed for two more years and under this scenario he’s being shipped out the team who just made him the backup.
If he plays well this season then yeah he’ll need to be paid but not many QBs get paid after just 3 years. No way, in his case.
Because he is nearing the end of his rookie deal, and he'll be pushing for a commitment (or walking papers) from his team...whoever that is. He has to bet on himself, and hope that someone agrees; if he doesn't, he frankly lacks the confidence to be in the NFL in the first place.
How is him playing next year without a new contract, in hopes of getting an even bigger contract, not him betting on himself? I get the arguments against trading for Fields I’m just not sure his possible contract extension is one of them. Agree to disagree.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ Zanary said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ Zanary said:
@ pattersaur said:
I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.
Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?
My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).
That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.
Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain.
I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player.
First of all...hell no to Wilson, he's right where McFlabb was when he began his descent from "contender" to "cooked".
I won't pretend to know which of the college bois will be available, with or without trades, because that's for scouting departments and the kinds of obsessors that have already submitted their 30th mock draft...of 2024.
All that said, Fields would not go anywhere without some sort of deal, and that means investing in a top-level athlete that shows bottom-rung decision-making and maybe could be described as a worst case Josh Allen.
Yes, he can run, has a big arm, and can have some inspired play, even inspired games...but he's either got to make a seriies of HUGE mental strides and/or show to still be coachable despite Chicago incompetence. I don't believe he's fixable.
What makes you think Fields would require a new deal right away? He’s signed for two more years and under this scenario he’s being shipped out the team who just made him the backup.
If he plays well this season then yeah he’ll need to be paid but not many QBs get paid after just 3 years. No way, in his case.
Because he is nearing the end of his rookie deal, and he'll be pushing for a commitment (or walking papers) from his team...whoever that is. He has to bet on himself, and hope that someone agrees; if he doesn't, he frankly lacks the confidence to be in the NFL in the first place.
How is him playing next year without a new contract, in hopes of getting an even bigger contract, not him betting on himself? I get the arguments against trading for Fields I’m just not sure his possible contract extension is one of them. Agree to disagree.
We'll agree to disagree, absolutely.
Quote: @Norse said:
@ CFIAvike said:
Jesus dude….we all get it. You hate Kirk, think he’s incompetent and is incapable of quarterbacking a Super Bowl winning team. I mean you’re dead wrong, but to each their own.
You do realize THIS is the last year of Jefferson’s rookie contract. Essentially the Vikings have to hit on a pro bowl quarterback (Which will be much harder out of the second tier), and understand he’s that good by the trade deadline this year. Otherwise Jefferson could just decide to test the free agent waters, wait for a team to back up the Brinks truck, and tell us to kick rocks.
Also regardless of whether Kirk is on the team or not, the cap situation drastically improves In 2025. In fact we have so few players with guaranteed money on the cap that year, you could eat all of Kirks dead money that year and still have plenty of room to sign free agents.
whether you want to admit it or not, it’s gonna be way easier to lock up Jefferson, long-term with Kirk quarterbacking a couple more years while we look for his eventual replacement.
… Or we could go your route, rip the Band-Aid off, start a dart throw of a quarterback. and Waste all the talent we have at wide receiver currently on this team.
I like Cousins as a person!
But he is never taking us to a super bowl!
What has he accomplished for us... Nothing
How many QB’s get 6 years to do nothing?
You say JJ needs Cousins. But Mullens a backup quaterback with a weak arm. was averaging more yards per game with JJ than Cousins.
Bridge QB for a 1/3 of the price can accomplish as much as Cousins. And we can help build the rest of the team with Cousins money.
Take it easy, he's only had a top 3 pair of WR every year he's been here, for most of his tenure a top 5 RB to go with it and for the first two years a top 10 defense. What is the guy supposed to do?
Move on, build with a young guy who isn't as refined but also not as limited in growth and oh by the way add 2-3 more pieces to a defense that is on the way up
Zach Wilson Could Fetch Late-Round Pick In A Trade
The New York Jets are expected to trade quarterback Zach Wilson in the coming weeks as they look to upgrade the backup quarterback position behind Aaron Rodgers. There's a "high probability" of that happening, general manager Joe Douglas recently said. The consensus among three personnel executives, one scout and two assistant coaches from other teams is that Wilson could bring back a sixth- or seventh-round pick from a team willing to take a chance on him as a backup due to his first-round draft pedigree. The Jets could also seek a 2025 conditional pick based on playing time, but they're also unlikely to "get the value they want" in a straight-up trade. Wilson was forced into starting duties in 2023 when Rodgers tore his Achilles in Week 1, but he regressed even more and was benched late in the year.
We have a 6th round pick not a 7th. I would give up a 6th rounder for Wilson. Maybe, stressing maybe, KOC can help him develop for a 6th round pick. I would rather him as a backup then your Mannions, Dobbs etc...
Quote: @minny65 said:
Zach Wilson Could Fetch Late-Round Pick In A Trade
The New York Jets are expected to trade quarterback Zach Wilson in the coming weeks as they look to upgrade the backup quarterback position behind Aaron Rodgers. There's a "high probability" of that happening, general manager Joe Douglas recently said. The consensus among three personnel executives, one scout and two assistant coaches from other teams is that Wilson could bring back a sixth- or seventh-round pick from a team willing to take a chance on him as a backup due to his first-round draft pedigree. The Jets could also seek a 2025 conditional pick based on playing time, but they're also unlikely to "get the value they want" in a straight-up trade. Wilson was forced into starting duties in 2023 when Rodgers tore his Achilles in Week 1, but he regressed even more and was benched late in the year.
We have a 6th round pick not a 7th. I would give up a 6th rounder for Wilson. Maybe, stressing maybe, KOC can help him develop for a 6th round pick. I would rather him as a backup then your Mannions, Dobbs etc...
Gross
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.
I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?
Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact.
I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays. We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years, good enough but not good enough. We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins, infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball. not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility.
think about it we were one game away from the superbowl, the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years, depleted roster, and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible), another year older, and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year, or for the next several years once again, including once hes gone most likely.
Damn, at what point do you just rip off that band aid?
100% correct. I think most everybody would like Kirk back but not at the numbers being floated around.
It's going to be interesting to see what the Vikings commitment to him will be because we have to make a determination on him BEFORE the draft in free agency. I think just like last offseason, we have a line in the sand we won't cross on an extension with him and that line might be deeper now with the injury. I think at the end of the day, he is probably going to get a better offer elsewhere and takes it...as Kirk is always about the guaranteed money on contracts. Geoff confirmed he has no interest being a "bridge QB" and will make the Vikings pay "extra" if that becomes the case. At some point you do have to rip the bandaid off, and there really isn't a better time than this offseason..
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.
I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?
Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact.
I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays. We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years, good enough but not good enough. We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins, infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball. not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility.
think about it we were one game away from the superbowl, the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years, depleted roster, and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible), another year older, and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year, or for the next several years once again, including once hes gone most likely.
Damn, at what point do you just rip off that band aid?
100% correct. I think most everybody would like Kirk back but not at the numbers being floated around.
It's going to be interesting to see what the Vikings commitment to him will be because we have to make a determination on him BEFORE the draft in free agency. I think just like last offseason, we have a line in the sand we won't cross on an extension with him and that line might be deeper now with the injury. I think at the end of the day, he is probably going to get a better offer elsewhere and takes it...as Kirk is always about the guaranteed money on contracts. Geoff confirmed he has no interest being a "bridge QB" and will make the Vikings pay "extra" if that becomes the case. At some point you do have to rip the bandaid off, and there really isn't a better time than this offseason..
I've had a love/hate with Captain Kook and I would take him back IF it was for $20M per year. He needs to prioritize building a stronger team than his own goals. He's got a quarter BILLION from this franchise. Go 3 years $20M per year and allow the team to go out and add a REAL CENTER to protect the QB and a REAL DT to attack their QB.
If he wants more than than that, nah . . time to try out a rookie
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ Zanary said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ Zanary said:
@ pattersaur said:
I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.
Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?
My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).
That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.
Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain.
I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player.
First of all...hell no to Wilson, he's right where McFlabb was when he began his descent from "contender" to "cooked".
I won't pretend to know which of the college bois will be available, with or without trades, because that's for scouting departments and the kinds of obsessors that have already submitted their 30th mock draft...of 2024.
All that said, Fields would not go anywhere without some sort of deal, and that means investing in a top-level athlete that shows bottom-rung decision-making and maybe could be described as a worst case Josh Allen.
Yes, he can run, has a big arm, and can have some inspired play, even inspired games...but he's either got to make a seriies of HUGE mental strides and/or show to still be coachable despite Chicago incompetence. I don't believe he's fixable.
What makes you think Fields would require a new deal right away? He’s signed for two more years and under this scenario he’s being shipped out the team who just made him the backup.
If he plays well this season then yeah he’ll need to be paid but not many QBs get paid after just 3 years. No way, in his case.
Because he is nearing the end of his rookie deal, and he'll be pushing for a commitment (or walking papers) from his team...whoever that is. He has to bet on himself, and hope that someone agrees; if he doesn't, he frankly lacks the confidence to be in the NFL in the first place.
How is him playing next year without a new contract, in hopes of getting an even bigger contract, not him betting on himself? I get the arguments against trading for Fields I’m just not sure his possible contract extension is one of them. Agree to disagree.
Maybe this is semantics, but I think if you’re going to bet
on yourself, you would have to be giving something up that you could lose. Kirk Cousins chose to not sign a deal that
would have given him more money, because he was betting that he would get a
bigger deal in the future. Fields is
just a guy who was under contract, and still is under contract, and the team
can decide if they want to execute his option or not later this offseason, but
Fields isn’t really a participant in this plan at his current value.
Fields is very close to that point of making one last, big shot at his future, or having no NFL future at all and applying for Canadian citizenship. He was a high pick that has shown severe peaks and valleys, a pattern that has held the whole way. While some OC might think he's still teachable/moldable, he won't have many more "tries" before his shot is effectively gone.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.
I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?
Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact.
I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays. We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years, good enough but not good enough. We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins, infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball. not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility.
think about it we were one game away from the superbowl, the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years, depleted roster, and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible), another year older, and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year, or for the next several years once again, including once hes gone most likely.
Damn, at what point do you just rip off that band aid?
100% correct. I think most everybody would like Kirk back but not at the numbers being floated around.
It's going to be interesting to see what the Vikings commitment to him will be because we have to make a determination on him BEFORE the draft in free agency. I think just like last offseason, we have a line in the sand we won't cross on an extension with him and that line might be deeper now with the injury. I think at the end of the day, he is probably going to get a better offer elsewhere and takes it...as Kirk is always about the guaranteed money on contracts. Geoff confirmed he has no interest being a "bridge QB" and will make the Vikings pay "extra" if that becomes the case. At some point you do have to rip the bandaid off, and there really isn't a better time than this offseason..
Last offseason.... or better yet, the one the year before so we wouldnt have been saddled with 28 million in dead money.
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