Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Zanary said:
So...why, for f**k's sake, is anyone supporting anyone of those pinch-offs, again?
Even Trumplestiskin's most ardent drones often wince when their orange savior spouts BS/stupidity.
The dnc stalwarts of fiction just insist that everything against their chosen media-buffed saviors is "overblown", right up to and past the points of indictments and impeachments...which should sound familiar, right?
Over 30 trillion in debt, both getting/keeping us in stupid positions in wars, and both using their pet media outlets to rip the country apart for their gain.
Aside from, I dunno, treason maybe?...what could be the attraction?
Trump also had undeniable traits that made him one of the better presidents of our lifetime. There are certainly traits about him that are not pleasant and not at the level a president should be. However, some of the things he did that were good also can't be replicated by any other candidate out there. Joe has no such capability, is far more corrupt, and doesn't know what day it is. One of the two parties will win the next election, and those that can't distinguish the overwhelming good things that Trump did for this country versus Biden are not looking at things straight. I agree with you more than you think, but it's not a practical view.
I would take 8 more years of Biden followed by 8 more of Obama before I’d do 4 more of the orange orangutan.
He needs to just go away. Its time to have an electable option.
You do you. At this point, you're just trying to justify an earlier stance that has since shown that it wasn't based on sound reasoning. Everything you do is out of spite for Trump, not doing what's best for the country moving forward.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Zanary said:
So...why, for f**k's sake, is anyone supporting anyone of those pinch-offs, again?
Even Trumplestiskin's most ardent drones often wince when their orange savior spouts BS/stupidity.
The dnc stalwarts of fiction just insist that everything against their chosen media-buffed saviors is "overblown", right up to and past the points of indictments and impeachments...which should sound familiar, right?
Over 30 trillion in debt, both getting/keeping us in stupid positions in wars, and both using their pet media outlets to rip the country apart for their gain.
Aside from, I dunno, treason maybe?...what could be the attraction?
Trump also had undeniable traits that made him one of the better presidents of our lifetime. There are certainly traits about him that are not pleasant and not at the level a president should be. However, some of the things he did that were good also can't be replicated by any other candidate out there. Joe has no such capability, is far more corrupt, and doesn't know what day it is. One of the two parties will win the next election, and those that can't distinguish the overwhelming good things that Trump did for this country versus Biden are not looking at things straight. I agree with you more than you think, but it's not a practical view.
I would take 8 more years of Biden followed by 8 more of Obama before I’d do 4 more of the orange orangutan.
He needs to just go away. Its time to have an electable option.
You do you. At this point, you're just trying to justify an earlier stance that has since shown that it wasn't based on sound reasoning. Everything you do is out of spite for Trump, not doing what's best for the country moving forward.
Based on...what? You're still categorically dishonest, a liar claiming to making up "my positions".
Quit being gutless filth. It's bad enough that you stump for it.
I abhor junk that misuses power, and I was viciously unking about 44 and those before, as well...but they aren't insisting on spitting more stacks of lies and spineless victim manipulations into the headlines every day like your savior, orange boi. He wasn't the best at anything in the Oval Office, he'll be remembered far more for drama than for actual presidential actions, and for guaranteeing the gop's cannibalization that is brutally underway today.
Many of us warned about it years back, because it was obvious as hell.
Mmmm, can't stand either major party candidate. No way can vote for either one. How did we end up here?
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
Mmmm, can't stand either major party candidate. No way can vote for either one. How did we end up here?
Now if we could just get everyone to actually do just that. Vote for anyone outside the two major parties and this country could actually see positive change.
I'm hoping Blue and Red teams look at the polls and realize that neither major party candidate is well respected and do a big reset. A guy can dream, right?!
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Zanary said:
So...why, for f**k's sake, is anyone supporting anyone of those pinch-offs, again?
Even Trumplestiskin's most ardent drones often wince when their orange savior spouts BS/stupidity.
The dnc stalwarts of fiction just insist that everything against their chosen media-buffed saviors is "overblown", right up to and past the points of indictments and impeachments...which should sound familiar, right?
Over 30 trillion in debt, both getting/keeping us in stupid positions in wars, and both using their pet media outlets to rip the country apart for their gain.
Aside from, I dunno, treason maybe?...what could be the attraction?
Trump also had undeniable traits that made him one of the better presidents of our lifetime. There are certainly traits about him that are not pleasant and not at the level a president should be. However, some of the things he did that were good also can't be replicated by any other candidate out there. Joe has no such capability, is far more corrupt, and doesn't know what day it is. One of the two parties will win the next election, and those that can't distinguish the overwhelming good things that Trump did for this country versus Biden are not looking at things straight. I agree with you more than you think, but it's not a practical view.
I would take 8 more years of Biden followed by 8 more of Obama before I’d do 4 more of the orange orangutan.
He needs to just go away. Its time to have an electable option.
You do you. At this point, you're just trying to justify an earlier stance that has since shown that it wasn't based on sound reasoning. Everything you do is out of spite for Trump, not doing what's best for the country moving forward.
Based on...what? You're still categorically dishonest, a liar claiming to making up "my positions".
Quit being gutless filth. It's bad enough that you stump for it.
I abhor junk that misuses power, and I was viciously unking about 44 and those before, as well...but they aren't insisting on spitting more stacks of lies and spineless victim manipulations into the headlines every day like your savior, orange boi. He wasn't the best at anything in the Oval Office, he'll be remembered far more for drama than for actual presidential actions, and for guaranteeing the gop's cannibalization that is brutally underway today.
Many of us warned about it years back, because it was obvious as hell.
You may want to note that I wasn't responding to you with my reply. I honestly think this has been one of your better threads in terms of at least stating your point. I still think you're off base, but wasn't replying to you in this one.
Quote: @greediron said:As much as Trump used the "lock her up" chant, he didn't go after his political opponent once elected. The same can't be said for the other side.
He tried but he had no grounds:
- "FORMER SOUTHERN DISTRICT of New York attorney Geoffrey Berman claims the Trump administration’s Justice Department pushed investigations into Trump’s critics that “would directly further Mr. Trump’s desires for revenge and advantage,” according to a copy of his new book Holding the Line". https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-justice-department-prosecuction-political-enemies-1234588539/
"On Thursday, Trump gave the names of four people — James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Stzrok and Lisa Page — when he was asked about his past formulation that former federal officials who were involved in investigations dealing with his campaign and that of rival Hillary Clinton were guilty of treason, and reminded that the crime is punishable by death. Later, the White House issued a statement noting that Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-turns-full-force-government-perceived-political-enemies-n1010096
- "Donald Trump lashed out Thursday at U.S. Attorney General William Barr for not doing more to prosecute his political enemies, including arresting Obama-era officials who the president accuses -- without evidence -- of illegally spying on his 2016 campaign." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-08/trump-presses-barr-to-target-political-enemies-as-doj-stays-mute#xj4y7vzkg
- "In 2017, Trump sought to have his then-Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, "un-recuse" himself from the Justice Department's investigation into whether foreign election interference benefited Trump. According to the special counsel investigation headed by Robert Mueller, Trump wanted Sessions to do this to help in prosecuting Clinton for her use of a private email server while secretary of state, even though the Justice Department had closed its case on that matter in 2016." https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1345/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-hillary-cli/
- "Former senior DoJ officials say the former president aggressively prodded his attorneys general to go after his enemies, protect his friends and his interests, and these moves succeeded with alarming results until Trump’s last few months in office." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/21/trump-doj-bill-bar-attorney-general-justice-department
- "During a live phone-in on Fox Business, Donald Trump complained again that not enough of his political enemies have been arrested – and said attorney general Bill Barr could find himself in “a sad situation” if he doesn’t start rounding them up." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bill-barr-arrests-fox-news-clinton-obama-biden-obamagate-b885971.html
"Federal prosecutors initially suggested a sentence of between 87 and 108 months in prison on Monday, which Trump called "a horrible and very unfair situation." The following day, the DOJ leadership overruled the prosecutors in the case, submitting a new filing that said the DOJ "respectfully submits that a sentence of incarceration far less than 87 to 108 months’ imprisonment would be reasonable" for [Roger] Stone. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-di...i-indicted
[I had more but ran out of room.]
Quote: @greediron said:
If someone doesn't see what Biden has done to enrich his family, if someone doesn't see what the Clintons have done to enrich themselves and remain in power...
- "Jared Kushner's PE firm secured $2 billion from Saudi Arabia despite objections he was too inexperienced to manage the money" https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-private-equity-firm-funding-from-saudi-arabia-report-2022-4
- "U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom Robert Wood "Woody" Johnson IV told embassy staff in 2018 that his friend, President Trump, asked him to help get the British Open golf tournament held at one of the Trump family's golf resorts in Scotland." https://www.npr.org/2020/07/22/894354847/trump-requested-help-from-u-s-ambassador-in-holding-british-open-at-a-trump-reso
- “It’s incredibly stupid and highly inappropriate,” Richard Painter, the chief ethics lawyer in the Bush administration, told the Post. “They clearly imply that the Kushners are going to make sure you get your visa ... They're [Chinese applicants] not going to take a chance. Of course they’re going to want to invest.” https://www.businessinsider.com/sec-launches-probe-into-kushner-companies-for-use-of-eb-5-visa-program-2018-1
- "The Chinese government granted 18 trademarks to companies linked to President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka Trump over the last two months, Chinese public records show, raising concerns about conflicts of interest in the White House." https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727
- "Taxpayers were charged $1,160 per room per night at the Trump International Hotel in Washington for Secret Service agents protecting Eric Trump on March 8, 2017, a night for which the government rate was $242. Taxpayers were charged $1,185 per room per night for agents protecting Donald Trump Jr. on Nov. 8, 2017 at the Trump Hotel, at a time when the government rate was $201." https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-used-secret-service-make-money-here-s-how-taxpayers-n1300109
- "Foreign governments have been quick to figure out how to stay on the president's good side. They've "donated public land, approved permits and eased environmental regulations for Trump-branded developments, creating a slew of potential conflicts as foreign leaders make investments that can be seen as gifts or attempts to gain access to the American president through his sprawling business empire," McClatchy's Anita Kumar reported in January. The Chinese government has granted Trump at least 39 trademarks, some of which had been previously rejected, since he took office; Ivanka Trump, the president's daughter and senior adviser, has also gotten at least seven since she joined the administration." https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways
- In the 12 months after he clinched the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, "70% of buyers of Trump properties were limited liability companies – corporate entities that allow people to purchase property without revealing all of the owners' names. That compares with about 4% of buyers in the two years before." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017...102399558/
[Again, lots more]
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ greediron said:
If someone doesn't see what Biden has done to enrich his family, if someone doesn't see what the Clintons have done to enrich themselves and remain in power...
- "Jared Kushner's PE firm secured $2 billion from Saudi Arabia despite objections he was too inexperienced to manage the money" https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-private-equity-firm-funding-from-saudi-arabia-report-2022-4
- "U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom Robert Wood "Woody" Johnson IV told embassy staff in 2018 that his friend, President Trump, asked him to help get the British Open golf tournament held at one of the Trump family's golf resorts in Scotland." https://www.npr.org/2020/07/22/894354847/trump-requested-help-from-u-s-ambassador-in-holding-british-open-at-a-trump-reso
- “It’s incredibly stupid and highly inappropriate,” Richard Painter, the chief ethics lawyer in the Bush administration, told the Post. “They clearly imply that the Kushners are going to make sure you get your visa ... They're [Chinese applicants] not going to take a chance. Of course they’re going to want to invest.” https://www.businessinsider.com/sec-launches-probe-into-kushner-companies-for-use-of-eb-5-visa-program-2018-1
- "The Chinese government granted 18 trademarks to companies linked to President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka Trump over the last two months, Chinese public records show, raising concerns about conflicts of interest in the White House." https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727
- "Taxpayers were charged $1,160 per room per night at the Trump International Hotel in Washington for Secret Service agents protecting Eric Trump on March 8, 2017, a night for which the government rate was $242. Taxpayers were charged $1,185 per room per night for agents protecting Donald Trump Jr. on Nov. 8, 2017 at the Trump Hotel, at a time when the government rate was $201." https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-used-secret-service-make-money-here-s-how-taxpayers-n1300109
- "Foreign governments have been quick to figure out how to stay on the president's good side. They've "donated public land, approved permits and eased environmental regulations for Trump-branded developments, creating a slew of potential conflicts as foreign leaders make investments that can be seen as gifts or attempts to gain access to the American president through his sprawling business empire," McClatchy's Anita Kumar reported in January. The Chinese government has granted Trump at least 39 trademarks, some of which had been previously rejected, since he took office; Ivanka Trump, the president's daughter and senior adviser, has also gotten at least seven since she joined the administration." https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways
- In the 12 months after he clinched the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, "70% of buyers of Trump properties were limited liability companies – corporate entities that allow people to purchase property without revealing all of the owners' names. That compares with about 4% of buyers in the two years before." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/13/trump-property-buyers-make-clear-shift-secretive-llcs/102399558/
[Again, lots more]
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Yeah, but he was busy cleaning up the swamp to even notice all that.
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