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Roe v Wade struck down by SCOTUS
#51
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@IDVikingfan said:
@Vikergirl said:
Sure some women report and others do not, but some are traumatized after reporting. I remember as a 13 year old the disgusting questions I got from my guidance counselor and law enforcement. I remember officers asking what I did to provoke him. I remember being asked about what mixed signals I was sending off because as a 13 year old apparently I was responsible for a grown man losing control or giving in to his urges (the officer's words not mine).

I got asked about what I was wearing and what I said to him and so on. So sure going through that and then having to bring the police report to the doctor as proof of victimization like some sort of grotesque brand isn't bad enough. Shame and guilt the girl or woman again and as much as possible just because like here's my rape papers doc. And I know my situation happened years ago but the process of reporting for victims and survivors is still awful. It is psychologically damaging. It stays with you. But again why should a woman be forced to divulge that to her doctor? Again regardless of the reason for her decision, why does she have to be burdened repeatedly in order to make a decision about her life and her body whether other people like it or not? Doesn't she matter at all? Where is her voice? 
I totally understand that rape is a horrible violation and would never wish it on anyone.  As you state, talking about the rape to a doctor and the police is further traumatizing.  However, rape is not a private matter between the victim and the rapist.  It is in the public interest to protect women by prosecuting rapists.  Justice and punishment of the perp can only occur if he is identified and evidence is gathered.  So the flipside decision has to be made.  Let the perp walk and potentially rape again or identify and allow evidence to be collected so the perp can be prosecuted and punished.  We would all prefer that women were never in this situation leading to a need to make the above decision.

Emergency contraception should be easily and readily available in the case of rape.  I would imagine that provision is automatic during a hospital visit and I believe  available from other sources as well but I have no idea on what is required to obtain it
I am fully aware that rape is not a private matter and of the public interest angle. I am also aware of credibility being questioned as far as victims and survivors are concerned. I am aware of a system that works against us. I am aware of the backlog of rape kits that are not being tested. These kits languish in a storage facilities, sometimes evidence gets lost. Sometimes prosecutors or district attorneys decide a case isn't strong enough. Sometimes serial rapists are allowed to continue because kits are not being tested. This is not law and order, the crime is not solved in a hour. It is not nice, neat and tidy. So no victims don't want to let the perp walk but the system may do that anyway. Working with victims and survivors, I have personally seen that emergency contraception is not always easily available. I definitely understand why so many rapes and assaults go unreported. 
You do raise very good points.  It is an imperfect world.  Kits are not always available or used, samples are not always tested, cases are not always prosecuted and more.  There are good reasons to come forward but the system does not always function as it should.  Agreed no problem there.

The state does have an interest in getting rape prosecuted, thus encouraging victims to come forward.  And based on the Idaho abortion law, legislators are offering the exemption to those need it but one must provide documentation.  If not requiring some degree documentation, than all of the sudden, all unplanned pregnancies in Idaho will be due to rape.  May be the legislators thinking but I don't know for sure since not a participant in their discussions.

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#52
I have advocated for a lot of victims and survivors. Many were lured to the United States by corporations and churches with promises of opportunities when in reality they were trafficked, abused and exploited. They became cheap labor and were subjected to horrific crimes against humanity. More people need to support victims and survivors and speak out against abuses of power. More people need to support system reform. It's also traumatic when even though the victim went through the legal process and no sense of justice was achieved, that is defeating and demoralizing. I hope more people think about the psychological impact of all of this. It's not simply report it. There is already so much loss of control through victimization that going through the system triggers serious and debilitating issues as well as additional loss of control. Every woman should feel that they have control of the choices with her life and her body period. 
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#54
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status...LX33tsu9Dg&s=19
Probably stumbled over saying "right to life"...  Current President also stumbles over many words...  Must be issue for politicians!  LOL
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#56
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
Probably stumbled over saying "right to life"...  
Agreed. Don't like that my side is making a big deal of this. This is shit the other side does. 
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#57
She quoted Hitler before and "apologized" for that too.
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#59
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@IDVikingfan said:
Probably stumbled over saying "right to life"...  
Agreed. Don't like that my side is making a big deal of this. This is shit the other side does. 

Would agree, except this statement directly in line with the father of the Pro-Life movement Horatio Storer.  It also fits with replacement theory.
"Prior to the 1820s, most American states -- and the colonies
beforehand -- governed abortion according to English common law, which
largely did not recognize a state interest in pregnancy or abortion
until quickening (about the 25th week of pregnancy), the occurrence of
which was left solely to the pregnant woman to determine. Even then, the
common law was largely employed to protect the interests of the woman,
not the fetus.

Storer believed that abortion was morally wrong. But he also
"believed that abortions were endangering what he saw as the ideal
America: a society of white Protestants in which women adhered strictly
to their proper 'duties' -- marriage and childbearing." He feared that
the birthrates of recent immigrants, predominantly Catholic, would
overwhelm the hegemony of white Protestants in New England, for which he
in part blamed married Protestant women for not producing enough
children.
He equated marriage without a focus on fertility as "'nothing
less than legalized prostitution.
'"


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#60
The Catholic church also emphasizes sex for reproduction for women not for pleasure. There has been a great deal of shame and guilt for women enjoying sex. It also focuses on no premarital sex for women. Some of the denominations also focus on purity culture (for girls of course). This is psychologically damaging and harmful. There is a great deal of emphasis on female virginity as well. There is misogyny in various denominations. Storer also was in the practice of gynecology. There is a history of and still practices against women that are barbaric. Women of childbearing age have to fight to get hysterectomies. The so-called "husband stitch" is a form of female genital mutilation that is supposed to be illegal but still occurs. There is also opposition to women getting tubal ligation and of course opposition to birth control.
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