OT: Coronavirus

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@purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're someday going to be on the other side of the slope peak. The policies put into place then will determine how well we do or don't control additional outbreaks. I think we're going to see policies in place for the entire calendar year. We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. 
I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality


Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune. 
When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then. 
I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

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@MaroonBells said:
@purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. 
I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality


Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune. 
When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then. 
I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

I have seen mention of immunity by several posters.  I havent actually seen any documented medical data that suggests that they body develops a long term immunity,  this isnt like the chicken pox where if you get it once you wont get it again from what I've read.  Some doctors are also suggesting that this will likely develop traits like the flu where it will run its course and then mutate into a similar but different strain that can reinfect. 

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@Ralphie said:
Take a gander at eBay.  Check out all the toilet paper auctions.

For example, a 12 roll pack of Charmin with 43 bids = $70.00.

These are the people who are lower than whale poop.  Retailers, in time of emergency like what we're seeing, need to limit purchases from the start.

Who is bidding up to $70 for a 12 pack of toilet paper? I cannot fathom a "regular person" paying that kind of money. I'm kind of wondering who is susceptible to this type of price gouging...

Some kind of organization? $70 is getting into "I have the money and I don't care, I need that now" territory. It looks kinda like the store/shelf toy collector market... expect for something that get's flushed away. 

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@BlackMagic7 said:

@Ralphie said:
Take a gander at eBay.  Check out all the toilet paper auctions.

For example, a 12 roll pack of Charmin with 43 bids = $70.00.

These are the people who are lower than whale poop.  Retailers, in time of emergency like what we're seeing, need to limit purchases from the start.

Who is bidding up to $70 for a 12 pack of toilet paper? I cannot fathom a "regular person" paying that kind of money. I'm kind of wondering who is susceptible to this type of price gouging...

Some kind of organization? $70 is getting into "I have the money and I don't care, I need that now" territory. It looks kinda like the store/shelf toy collector market... expect for something that get's flushed away. 

it has to be a scam,  somebody has a buddy bid up something to generate interest and lure some other sucker into the fray.  I seriously doubt anybody would pay that for TP.

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@BlackMagic7 said:

@Ralphie said:
Take a gander at eBay.  Check out all the toilet paper auctions.

For example, a 12 roll pack of Charmin with 43 bids = $70.00.

These are the people who are lower than whale poop.  Retailers, in time of emergency like what we're seeing, need to limit purchases from the start.

Who is bidding up to $70 for a 12 pack of toilet paper? I cannot fathom a "regular person" paying that kind of money. I'm kind of wondering who is susceptible to this type of price gouging...

Some kind of organization? $70 is getting into "I have the money and I don't care, I need that now" territory. It looks kinda like the store/shelf toy collector market... expect for something that get's flushed away. 

Somebody with a really dirty brown eye who wasnt thinking people would actually make a depression era bank run on ass-wipe. unbelievable 

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@JimmyinSD said:

@MaroonBells said:
@purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. 
I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality


Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune. 
When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then. 
I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

I have seen mention of immunity by several posters.  I havent actually seen any documented medical data that suggests that they body develops a long term immunity,  this isnt like the chicken pox where if you get it once you wont get it again from what I've read.  Some doctors are also suggesting that this will likely develop traits like the flu where it will run its course and then mutate into a similar but different strain that can reinfect. 

Our hope is for a vaccine in the next 12 mos or so...More so than immunity, which as you say has not been documented or refuted.

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I am reading that Rand Paul got tested as a precautionary measure as he has some lung issue from a previous thing that makes him cautious and that he wasnt feeling ill prior to getting tested for the virus.  He also pointed out that by normal testing protocol that he still wouldnt have been tested and would still be at work potentially exposing many more people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/paul-defends-actions-before-coronavirus-diagnosis-the-broader-the-testing-and-the-less-finger-pointing-we-have-the-better/ar-BB11AxZp?li=BBnbcA1

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@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1241820090804379654

true,  but if he was using the pool and fitness center after being tested (before he got the results)  it is still a horribly selfish decision.   I will say though, was he tested as a precaution,  or was he feeling ill in some way?  if they are testing congress regularly then I can understand him not breaking routine,  but if he wasnt feeling the best and worked out anyway... 

My understanding was he was asymptomatic. He wasn't feeling ill or sick in any way. He was conducting his usual business, got off a plane, was advised he might have been exposed to COVID-19 and was tested. I think he should get some shit for being advised he crossed paths with the bug and not taking that risk seriously - but he was not displaying any symptoms. 

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MN's version of Boca...It's too close for comfort on wildly popular Minneapolis park paths"There are so many people out on them that people aren't self social-distancing," a spokeswoman said.
So many people are rushing into Minneapolis’ most popular parks during the coronavirus pandemic that it’s hard for them to give everyone their recommended six-foot separation.
The Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board is now urging people to visit smaller neighborhood parks instead, and will potentially take other measures to keep people spread apart.
The activity on some parks in recent days was reminiscent of what is seen during a busy weekend in July, parks spokeswoman Dawn Sommers said Monday. Many crowded the city’s well-known destinations, she said, including the Chain of Lakes and Minnehaha Regional Park.
“Apparently they’re packed with people on the trails,” she said. “There are so many people out on them that people aren’t self social distancing.”
http://www.startribune.com/it-s-too-clos...569032772/