Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ Akvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
Don't blame this on Cousins, he's not the reason they lost. Wasn't his best game but he threw for 3 TDs and zero interceptions.
This is all on the coaching staff and D.....and the offensive line.
bullshit---he was off all game if you're honest. Yes 3 tds and no ints but how many off stride or clean misses
He was off to start the game and just missed Diggs deep which are completed 50% of the time or less.
But for many in this fan base, the QB needs to be PERFECT. He is not permitted to be off or to miss any passes.
It is revealing that there is no criticism of the OL which played the worse of any unit.
When you have the NFL leading rusher and he gets 71 yards on 21 carries with 1 carry going for 22 yards then they are not doing their jobs.
The run was suppose to set up the pass in this offense and play action will not work if you have proven you cannot run.
Cousins was under a fair amount of pressure when dropping back but only took one sack which I think in part was him throwing some passes away on purpose (at least a few).
The offense without Thielen is easier to stop. Without seeing the All 22 it seems that KC was doubling up Diggs or sading the safety over the top more often. That left the rest of the receivers which do not scare any team.
So the offense could not run the ball and was missing one of their top weapons and still managed to cobble together 23 points on the road against a team that went to the championship game last year. That is good.
The defense on the other hand has no excuses. The Chiefs were missing Fisher who is their starting left tackle and Tardiff who is their starting right guard.
The defense has 8 players making 9 mil or more. They gave up a 91 yard TD drive that took 8:56 off the clock and a 91 yard TD run plus the long passes to Hill who should have been doubled as soon as he got out of his car.
But because Cousins has his contract, he gets the most criticism and he has to overcome everything.
The offense is now on it's 4th OC and new coach in 4 years.The defense has the same coaches and system since 2014.7 of the starters on defense have been here since 2016.9 of the starters on defense have been here since 2017.They got their arse kicked 3807 by Nick Foles with the chance to go to the Super Bowl on the line.They let the Bears run 37 times for 167 yards last year with the chance to go to the playoffs.
The reality is that this defense is severely overrated and they are chokers who come up small in the biggest games.If you need them to hit two free throws to win the game they wont even hit one.
But Cousins is the real problem.
So, the defense has to play perfect?
They forced 4 3-and-outs (the most in any game against the Chiefs), held the Chiefs to below their season scoring average (one of the best offenses in the NFL for years) while holding them to 2 TDs.
The offense had 6 3-and-outs. Their their longest drive was only 5:31. When the Vikings took the lead in the 4th, the defense forced a 4 play drive that ended in a punt. The offense then burned 1:12 off the clock with a 3-and-out (could have put the game away right here). Defense gives up a 54 yard FG. Offense has another 3-and-out when they could have won the game. Bad punt, another FG.
And I'll point out that the Chiefs have one of the best offenses and a bottom defense.
If a QB has like 10 Trubisky-level throws in a game, he shares the blame.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Akvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
Don't blame this on Cousins, he's not the reason they lost. Wasn't his best game but he threw for 3 TDs and zero interceptions.
This is all on the coaching staff and D.....and the offensive line.
bullshit---he was off all game if you're honest. Yes 3 tds and no ints but how many off stride or clean misses
He was off to start the game and just missed Diggs deep which are completed 50% of the time or less.
But for many in this fan base, the QB needs to be PERFECT. He is not permitted to be off or to miss any passes.
It is revealing that there is no criticism of the OL which played the worse of any unit.
When you have the NFL leading rusher and he gets 71 yards on 21 carries with 1 carry going for 22 yards then they are not doing their jobs.
The run was suppose to set up the pass in this offense and play action will not work if you have proven you cannot run.
Cousins was under a fair amount of pressure when dropping back but only took one sack which I think in part was him throwing some passes away on purpose (at least a few).
The offense without Thielen is easier to stop. Without seeing the All 22 it seems that KC was doubling up Diggs or sading the safety over the top more often. That left the rest of the receivers which do not scare any team.
So the offense could not run the ball and was missing one of their top weapons and still managed to cobble together 23 points on the road against a team that went to the championship game last year. That is good.
The defense on the other hand has no excuses. The Chiefs were missing Fisher who is their starting left tackle and Tardiff who is their starting right guard.
The defense has 8 players making 9 mil or more. They gave up a 91 yard TD drive that took 8:56 off the clock and a 91 yard TD run plus the long passes to Hill who should have been doubled as soon as he got out of his car.
But because Cousins has his contract, he gets the most criticism and he has to overcome everything.
The offense is now on it's 4th OC and new coach in 4 years.The defense has the same coaches and system since 2014.7 of the starters on defense have been here since 2016.9 of the starters on defense have been here since 2017.They got their arse kicked 3807 by Nick Foles with the chance to go to the Super Bowl on the line.They let the Bears run 37 times for 167 yards last year with the chance to go to the playoffs.
The reality is that this defense is severely overrated and they are chokers who come up small in the biggest games.If you need them to hit two free throws to win the game they wont even hit one.
But Cousins is the real problem.
So, the defense has to play perfect?
They forced 4 3-and-outs (the most in any game against the Chiefs), held the Chiefs to below their season scoring average (one of the best offenses in the NFL for years) while holding them to 2 TDs.
The offense had 6 3-and-outs. Their their longest drive was only 5:31. When the Vikings took the lead in the 4th, the defense forced a 4 play drive that ended in a punt. The offense then burned 1:12 off the clock with a 3-and-out (could have put the game away right here). Defense gives up a 54 yard FG. Offense has another 3-and-out when they could have won the game. Bad punt, another FG.
And I'll point out that the Chiefs have one of the best offenses and a bottom defense.
If a QB has like 10 Trubisky-level throws in a game, he shares the blame.
Are you saying the Defense played good? Against a journeyman backup QB who was out of football last year. Against an O-Line missing it's LT and RG. With a no-name RB. And exactly 2 big time weapons that should have been neutralized by double teams instead of more shitty zone coverage.
Since when does a Defense with all that MSP mentioned has invested in it, that's been together that long get a pass for that performance? Screw that. Parcells and Belicheat would have these exact same Players performing at an Elite level. Why? Because they actually fucking gameplan for each and every opponent. Something Zimmer seems allergic to doing.
The reality is that Kirk was too inconsistent AND the O-Line played like shit AND Stefanski made zero adjustments to the Chiefs stacking the box AND losing Thielen early hurt AND the Defense underperformed given the circumstances AND Mike Zimmer failed yet again to see what other teams had done against the Chiefs to slow them down AND the Special Teams didn't help.
It was a truly Team loss that started during game planning and ended with horseshit execution and zero in-game adjustments. Everyone is to blame for this one. But it starts at the top with the tone deaf HC and his crappy Secondary loaded with 1st Round picks. Or maybe it's a great Secondary that either isn't suited to or hates playing zone. No one is exempt from critique after that loss, though. No one.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ silverjoel said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Akvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
Don't blame this on Cousins, he's not the reason they lost. Wasn't his best game but he threw for 3 TDs and zero interceptions.
This is all on the coaching staff and D.....and the offensive line.
bullshit---he was off all game if you're honest. Yes 3 tds and no ints but how many off stride or clean misses
He was off to start the game and just missed Diggs deep which are completed 50% of the time or less.
But for many in this fan base, the QB needs to be PERFECT. He is not permitted to be off or to miss any passes.
It is revealing that there is no criticism of the OL which played the worse of any unit.
When you have the NFL leading rusher and he gets 71 yards on 21 carries with 1 carry going for 22 yards then they are not doing their jobs.
The run was suppose to set up the pass in this offense and play action will not work if you have proven you cannot run.
Cousins was under a fair amount of pressure when dropping back but only took one sack which I think in part was him throwing some passes away on purpose (at least a few).
The offense without Thielen is easier to stop. Without seeing the All 22 it seems that KC was doubling up Diggs or sading the safety over the top more often. That left the rest of the receivers which do not scare any team.
So the offense could not run the ball and was missing one of their top weapons and still managed to cobble together 23 points on the road against a team that went to the championship game last year. That is good.
The defense on the other hand has no excuses. The Chiefs were missing Fisher who is their starting left tackle and Tardiff who is their starting right guard.
The defense has 8 players making 9 mil or more. They gave up a 91 yard TD drive that took 8:56 off the clock and a 91 yard TD run plus the long passes to Hill who should have been doubled as soon as he got out of his car.
But because Cousins has his contract, he gets the most criticism and he has to overcome everything.
The offense is now on it's 4th OC and new coach in 4 years.The defense has the same coaches and system since 2014.7 of the starters on defense have been here since 2016.9 of the starters on defense have been here since 2017.They got their arse kicked 3807 by Nick Foles with the chance to go to the Super Bowl on the line.They let the Bears run 37 times for 167 yards last year with the chance to go to the playoffs.
The reality is that this defense is severely overrated and they are chokers who come up small in the biggest games.If you need them to hit two free throws to win the game they wont even hit one.
But Cousins is the real problem.
So, the defense has to play perfect?
They forced 4 3-and-outs (the most in any game against the Chiefs), held the Chiefs to below their season scoring average (one of the best offenses in the NFL for years) while holding them to 2 TDs.
The offense had 6 3-and-outs. Their their longest drive was only 5:31. When the Vikings took the lead in the 4th, the defense forced a 4 play drive that ended in a punt. The offense then burned 1:12 off the clock with a 3-and-out (could have put the game away right here). Defense gives up a 54 yard FG. Offense has another 3-and-out when they could have won the game. Bad punt, another FG.
And I'll point out that the Chiefs have one of the best offenses and a bottom defense.
If a QB has like 10 Trubisky-level throws in a game, he shares the blame.
Are you saying the Defense played good? Against a journeyman backup QB who was out of football last year. Against an O-Line missing it's LT and RG. With a no-name RB. And exactly 2 big time weapons that should have been neutralized by double teams instead of more shitty zone coverage.
Since when does a Defense with all that MSP mentioned has invested in it, that's been together that long get a pass for that performance? Screw that. Parcells and Belicheat would have these exact same Players performing at an Elite level. Why? Because they actually fucking gameplan for each and every opponent. Something Zimmer seems allergic to doing.
The reality is that Kirk was too inconsistent AND the O-Line played like shit AND Stefanski made zero adjustments to the Chiefs stacking the box AND losing Thielen early hurt AND the Defense underperformed given the circumstances AND Mike Zimmer failed yet again to see what other teams had done against the Chiefs to slow them down AND the Special Teams didn't help.
It was a truly Team loss that started during game planning and ended with horseshit execution and zero in-game adjustments. Everyone is to blame for this one. But it starts at the top with the tone deaf HC and his crappy Secondary loaded with 1st Round picks. Or maybe it's a great Secondary that either isn't suited to or hates playing zone. No one is exempt from critique after that loss, though. No one.
Did you expect the defense to hold the Chiefs to, what, like 17 points?
Here's a thread about the scoring expectations:
https://vikefans.com/discussion/#/discus...the-kc-way
Notice how every prediction, save 1, had the Chiefs scoring around what they did, which was also consistent with the general consensus. But when that actually happens, it's somehow bad?
The Colts beat the Chiefs by running up the middle. How did that work out? Because the run was being stuffed, the Vikings had to use the pass, which they did. How is that not a good game plan? Chiefs stopped what the Vikings wanted to do and the plays were adjusted. It's not the game plan's fault that Cousins sailed a lot of easy passes.
The Chiefs have had 4 games scoring 27 or less points this year: 13 (Colts mentioned above), 24, 24 and 26. They only have 1 win in those 4 games.
Now, I'm not saying it was 100% anyone's fault. But 50% completions and 5.8 yards per pass is really bad. Just hit like 4 of those easy completions or actually know where the line to gain on a run and magically the whole team, including the defense, looks a lot better. Not being able to hit easy passes is not the fault of the game plan or the defense. Not knowing where the first down is is 100% on that player.
The defense didn't play great, but they played the Chiefs better than most teams play them. The offense, however, was very meh.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Akvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
Don't blame this on Cousins, he's not the reason they lost. Wasn't his best game but he threw for 3 TDs and zero interceptions.
This is all on the coaching staff and D.....and the offensive line.
bullshit---he was off all game if you're honest. Yes 3 tds and no ints but how many off stride or clean misses
He was off to start the game and just missed Diggs deep which are completed 50% of the time or less.
But for many in this fan base, the QB needs to be PERFECT. He is not permitted to be off or to miss any passes.
It is revealing that there is no criticism of the OL which played the worse of any unit.
When you have the NFL leading rusher and he gets 71 yards on 21 carries with 1 carry going for 22 yards then they are not doing their jobs.
The run was suppose to set up the pass in this offense and play action will not work if you have proven you cannot run.
Cousins was under a fair amount of pressure when dropping back but only took one sack which I think in part was him throwing some passes away on purpose (at least a few).
The offense without Thielen is easier to stop. Without seeing the All 22 it seems that KC was doubling up Diggs or sading the safety over the top more often. That left the rest of the receivers which do not scare any team.
So the offense could not run the ball and was missing one of their top weapons and still managed to cobble together 23 points on the road against a team that went to the championship game last year. That is good.
The defense on the other hand has no excuses. The Chiefs were missing Fisher who is their starting left tackle and Tardiff who is their starting right guard.
The defense has 8 players making 9 mil or more. They gave up a 91 yard TD drive that took 8:56 off the clock and a 91 yard TD run plus the long passes to Hill who should have been doubled as soon as he got out of his car.
But because Cousins has his contract, he gets the most criticism and he has to overcome everything.
The offense is now on it's 4th OC and new coach in 4 years.The defense has the same coaches and system since 2014.7 of the starters on defense have been here since 2016.9 of the starters on defense have been here since 2017.They got their arse kicked 3807 by Nick Foles with the chance to go to the Super Bowl on the line.They let the Bears run 37 times for 167 yards last year with the chance to go to the playoffs.
The reality is that this defense is severely overrated and they are chokers who come up small in the biggest games.If you need them to hit two free throws to win the game they wont even hit one.
But Cousins is the real problem.
So, the defense has to play perfect?
They forced 4 3-and-outs (the most in any game against the Chiefs), held the Chiefs to below their season scoring average (one of the best offenses in the NFL for years) while holding them to 2 TDs.
The offense had 6 3-and-outs. Their their longest drive was only 5:31. When the Vikings took the lead in the 4th, the defense forced a 4 play drive that ended in a punt. The offense then burned 1:12 off the clock with a 3-and-out (could have put the game away right here). Defense gives up a 54 yard FG. Offense has another 3-and-out when they could have won the game. Bad punt, another FG.
And I'll point out that the Chiefs have one of the best offenses and a bottom defense.
If a QB has like 10 Trubisky-level throws in a game, he shares the blame.
the Chiefs high flying offense was missing its MVP QB... our defense sucked all things considered.
our OLine sucked
Cousins played poorly, but you are a little over the top with the Trubisky type numbers, Kirk missed on some throws, but 10 would have to be a stretch.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
the Chiefs high flying offense was missing its MVP QB... our defense sucked all things considered.
our OLine sucked
Cousins played poorly, but you are a little over the top with the Trubisky type numbers, Kirk missed on some throws, but 10 would have to be a stretch.
The Chiefs scored 24 on the Packers with that QB. It's just that the Packers' offense scored 31. Moore doesn't have a turnover, has a high-ish passer rating (if you're into that), and already has more game winning drives this year than Cousins has as a Viking.
It's always the OLs fault. As if other QBs don't ever deal with that. Watch old man Brady move in the pocket, watch Watson get kicked in the face and still make a play, watch any Seahawks game. Everyone deals with it.
Here are 6 bad throws right here. Do you think there aren't 4-ish in the other 13 incompletions?
https://www.twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/sta...tweetembed&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fvikinghorn.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F10272%2Fkirk-cousins-trusted%3Fpage%3D6
The Packers played straight vanilla Defense. Which is what they do. They also had the League in number of plays given up over 40 yards. If they're your yardstick for measuring performance you are an easy grader.
All the media sees what we see: a Minnesota Defense in decline. That's why they expected the Chiefs, with a journeyman backup QB, to hang points on the same Defense Case Keenum was pushing around surrounded by a cast of pure shit, on the road. I'd he doesn't get hurt Minnesota probably loses that game.
The media also saw the Bears journeyman backup QB absolutely dominate TOP against this Defense. And GB, that had no Offensive identity at the time of the game, score 3 straight touchdowns.
Cousins didn't deliver. That was not 84 million worth of QB play. But that also wasn't 5 First Round, 2 Second Round, 2 Third Round and 6 contract extensions worth of Defense.
It can be about more than one thing. This loss was definitely about more than just Cousins or the Defense.
Stacked box? How about some quick slants. How about a TE down the seam. How about some no huddle. How about some shotgun looks with 3 WR sets. How about some pick plays. Or wheel routes.
How about ANYTHING other than what looked amazingly like Norv Turner's 7 step drop Offense with a crap pass blocking Line.
And explain why Stefanski only doubled teamed Chris Jones 15 plays? Or why Zimmer didn't double Kelce or Hill. Or only blitzed 7 times.
Again, Kirk didn't play well. But to lay the whole blame on his doorstep is incredibly myopic IMO.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Akvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
Don't blame this on Cousins, he's not the reason they lost. Wasn't his best game but he threw for 3 TDs and zero interceptions.
This is all on the coaching staff and D.....and the offensive line.
bullshit---he was off all game if you're honest. Yes 3 tds and no ints but how many off stride or clean misses
He was off to start the game and just missed Diggs deep which are completed 50% of the time or less.
But for many in this fan base, the QB needs to be PERFECT. He is not permitted to be off or to miss any passes.
It is revealing that there is no criticism of the OL which played the worse of any unit.
When you have the NFL leading rusher and he gets 71 yards on 21 carries with 1 carry going for 22 yards then they are not doing their jobs.
The run was suppose to set up the pass in this offense and play action will not work if you have proven you cannot run.
Cousins was under a fair amount of pressure when dropping back but only took one sack which I think in part was him throwing some passes away on purpose (at least a few).
The offense without Thielen is easier to stop. Without seeing the All 22 it seems that KC was doubling up Diggs or sading the safety over the top more often. That left the rest of the receivers which do not scare any team.
So the offense could not run the ball and was missing one of their top weapons and still managed to cobble together 23 points on the road against a team that went to the championship game last year. That is good.
The defense on the other hand has no excuses. The Chiefs were missing Fisher who is their starting left tackle and Tardiff who is their starting right guard.
The defense has 8 players making 9 mil or more. They gave up a 91 yard TD drive that took 8:56 off the clock and a 91 yard TD run plus the long passes to Hill who should have been doubled as soon as he got out of his car.
But because Cousins has his contract, he gets the most criticism and he has to overcome everything.
The offense is now on it's 4th OC and new coach in 4 years.The defense has the same coaches and system since 2014.7 of the starters on defense have been here since 2016.9 of the starters on defense have been here since 2017.They got their arse kicked 3807 by Nick Foles with the chance to go to the Super Bowl on the line.They let the Bears run 37 times for 167 yards last year with the chance to go to the playoffs.
The reality is that this defense is severely overrated and they are chokers who come up small in the biggest games.If you need them to hit two free throws to win the game they wont even hit one.
But Cousins is the real problem.
So, the defense has to play perfect?
They forced 4 3-and-outs (the most in any game against the Chiefs), held the Chiefs to below their season scoring average (one of the best offenses in the NFL for years) while holding them to 2 TDs.
The offense had 6 3-and-outs. Their their longest drive was only 5:31. When the Vikings took the lead in the 4th, the defense forced a 4 play drive that ended in a punt. The offense then burned 1:12 off the clock with a 3-and-out (could have put the game away right here). Defense gives up a 54 yard FG. Offense has another 3-and-out when they could have won the game. Bad punt, another FG.
And I'll point out that the Chiefs have one of the best offenses and a bottom defense.
If a QB has like 10 Trubisky-level throws in a game, he shares the blame.
Sure the defense should be credited for the times they made good stops.But I also think it's fair to hold the defense to a very high standard / expectaion- and then point out when they don't meet that expectation. Zimmer was hired to build a great defense and has been given every asset he wanted for that unit. It's amped up by hearing every announcer declare that he is a defensive genius.
Another issue with defensive expectations is that this unit usually seems to be competent but schemed to play a "bend don't break" approach. Zimmer's defense rarely appears to be an attacking unit that can intimidate opponents and take over the momentum of a game. since Zimmer took over in 2014, we have not finished a season in the top 10 in interceptions, and never even in the top 20 for forced fumbles. We've had good sack stats but go for stretches without getting consistent pressure. How many defensive scores have Zimmer's units delivered?
Truly dominating defensive units win games for their teams. When the Broncos won the SB a few years ago, they had games where they scored less than 20 points, sometimes including defensive scores. But we have a "defensive genius" and every loss is followed by blaming our offense.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
The Packers played straight vanilla Defense. Which is what they do. They also had the League in number of plays given up over 40 yards. If they're your yardstick for measuring performance you are an easy grader.
All the media sees what we see: a Minnesota Defense in decline. That's why they expected the Chiefs, with a journeyman backup QB, to hang points on the same Defense Case Keenum was pushing around surrounded by a cast of pure shit, on the road. I'd he doesn't get hurt Minnesota probably loses that game.
The media also saw the Bears journeyman backup QB absolutely dominate TOP against this Defense. And GB, that had no Offensive identity at the time of the game, score 3 straight touchdowns.
Cousins didn't deliver. That was not 84 million worth of QB play. But that also wasn't 5 First Round, 2 Second Round, 2 Third Round and 6 contract extensions worth of Defense.
It can be about more than one thing. This loss was definitely about more than just Cousins or the Defense.
Stacked box? How about some quick slants. How about a TE down the seam. How about some no huddle. How about some shotgun looks with 3 WR sets. How about some pick plays. Or wheel routes.
How about ANYTHING other than what looked amazingly like Norv Turner's 7 step drop Offense with a crap pass blocking Line.
And explain why Stefanski only doubled teamed Chris Jones 15 plays? Or why Zimmer didn't double Kelce or Hill. Or only blitzed 7 times.
Again, Kirk didn't play well. But to lay the whole blame on his doorstep is incredibly myopic IMO.
GB has given up 24 or more points in 4 games this year: the loss to the Eagles (34 points), 2 blow out wins against the Cowboys and Raiders (in which both teams scored in garbage time to get to 24 points) and an actual close game against the Chiefs (24 points). So, in reality, it's the 2nd largest point total against the Packers in an actual competitive game. Moore has now started 2 games against teams that I expect to finish with a winning record. He lead his team on, not only a game tying drive, but also a game winning drive. Again, something Cousins has yet to do as a Viking. Did the Chiefs defense play great? No. Did the Chiefs OL play great? No. Yet, when it was needed, Moore made it happen.
Again, I'm not saying it's all on Cousins. But, 1 time, freaking 1 time, I don't want to hear these excuses, I want him to step up. The game was there to be won. Cousins failed horribly in 2 opportunities.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
It's even worse than that, JL. Teams had a viable blueprint for beating the Chiefs WITH Mahomes: play tight man coverage and/or double Kelce and Hill.
Zimmer did neither. And he only blitzed a journeyman backup QB who was out of football last year 7 times. Nor was he giving Moore much to think about pre-snap with fake blitz looks.
On the flip side Stefanski looked totally unprepared for a Defense stacking the box and watching for rollouts. The Chiefs have exactly 1 legit difference maker on Defense in Chris Jones. He's probably the 2ne best DT in the League. Matched up against Minnesota's worst O-Lineman. Who got help on an insanely low 15 snaps.
These coaches are showing an appalling lack of ability to learn from what other teams have done successfully against a common opponent. It's like they truly think their shit doesn't stink. Which is amazing since the only have decent team they've beaten is Philly, who was in a slump at the time.
Interesting observation and can't disagree. Sometimes I suspect that Zimmer thinks he is Belicheck - always going to surprise and trick the rest of the league. But he's not Belicheck.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ FSUVike said:
It's even worse than that, JL. Teams had a viable blueprint for beating the Chiefs WITH Mahomes: play tight man coverage and/or double Kelce and Hill.
Zimmer did neither. And he only blitzed a journeyman backup QB who was out of football last year 7 times. Nor was he giving Moore much to think about pre-snap with fake blitz looks.
On the flip side Stefanski looked totally unprepared for a Defense stacking the box and watching for rollouts. The Chiefs have exactly 1 legit difference maker on Defense in Chris Jones. He's probably the 2ne best DT in the League. Matched up against Minnesota's worst O-Lineman. Who got help on an insanely low 15 snaps.
These coaches are showing an appalling lack of ability to learn from what other teams have done successfully against a common opponent. It's like they truly think their shit doesn't stink. Which is amazing since the only have decent team they've beaten is Philly, who was in a slump at the time.
Interesting observation and can't disagree. Sometimes I suspect that Zimmer thinks he is Belicheck - always going to surprise and trick the rest of the league. But he's not Belicheck.
More like Pete Carroll. Pete played Cover 3 on every play and dared you to beat it and his superior players. Bill actually comes up with specific gameplans for every opposing Offense. Even crap ones like Miami.
Jimmy pointed out in another thread that Zimmer seems content to play the Bend but don't Break, yielding below League Average results in INTs and Fumbles.
The only team he seems to consistently come in with a specific plan for is GB, likely because he knows Erin is too good for his typical conservative approach to Defense won't be enough to get the win. That's usually when you see those exotic blitz looks. Or against crap Offenses like NYG.
He's so afraid of the quick score or giving up chunk plays. And yet his Defense did both on Sunday.
And SilverJoel I'll say it again. Green Bay leads the NFL in number of plays given up over 40 yards. That is not a good yardstick for this Defense.
Interestingly, Kansas City media pointed to the GB game as a reason why Moore would struggle against Minnesota. The Packers played straight vanilla Defense the whole game, something Defensive Guru Mike Zimmer would never do. They expected Double A gap looks and Harry faking and coming on blitzes to confuse Moore and were convinced he would struggle.
Instead, Zimmer was as vanilla as GB. Folks here can't believe how Minnesota seemed content to rush 4 and play zone play after play. It was taylormade for Moore. 7 total blitzes. 7. And very little in the way of fake blitzes. Great job Mike.
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