Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ medaille said:
I'm not convinced we have much for OLine coaching. We have had far too many problems to peg it completely on shitty talent and injuries, but Kalil's lack of drive and desire are very easy to see. I think Reiff will be a noticeable upgrade, but we should still be working on improving our OLine coaching.
We have also had an unreal amount of injuries at less than ideal points of the season. Sure all teams have injuries. But how many different oline combinations did we trot out there in 2015. I know it was a stat that they would show often.
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In 2015, I believe we lost 2 starters to injury in the
preseason and then were the only team that had it’s starters intact through the
regular season, so no changes once the season started. Maybe you meant 2016.
You have a valid point, that it’s hard to get good when
there’s no consistency due to injury, which is on Spielman to make sure we have
starters we can depend on or high level draft picks, which he failed at, but I’m struggling to come up
with names of players that have improved noticeably in their time here in the
last 5 years or so. Maybe Fusco, for
that one year before he got injured, or Sullivan/Loadholt if you go way back. I also vividly remember in 2015, massive
amounts of pass rushers coming through the line completely untouched, where one
or more of our linemen must have missed their assignments frequently throughout
games.
I think it’s possible to put a lot of the blame on Turner
and Davidson pre-2016 and then say that Sparano got hosed by injuries in 2016, but
we’ll have to wait and see on that one.
I’m still not convinced he’s the right guy, but I believe he’s got
better guys to try and mold.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ NorthernCalVike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I miss Tice...
Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media
I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice.
He was a good O-line guy. Withrow was way too small IIRC. Don't remember Stringer or Load being destined for the scrap heap, but he certainly turned them into studs at their position.
Quote: @Clanzomaelan said:
Not to personalize this too much, but my current company and I don't quite see eye to eye, and behind the scenes I've been pretty frustrated. That doesn't mean I'm going to bad mouth them if I find another position elsewhere... I'll be gracious and thankful that they've employed me for X years, and allowed me to provide more than I ever thought for my family. We'll shake hands and I'll move on.
So true. In an interview once, I was asked about my current (soon to be ex) employer. Eventhough I was frustrated, unhappy and couldn't wait to find something better, I simply said they were good to me for 7 years. One guy then asked the awkward comment of why was I interviewing for other jobs then. I simply replied, because your company approached me.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
He wasn't on an island, they often had a TE or RB chip on his side, they don't call it help if they are just chip blocking, but it's still help.
Not really, as I said, I went through game video and focused on him quite a bit. TJ was getting the help, the chips and such. Kalil was left to sink or swim no his own.
He may be a bitch, and he may be lazy, but the coaches left him to man his post. As I said, I wish he had an ounce of desire for "excellence", he may have been a long term answer. But it just isn't true that he was worse than Charlie Johnson who was helped all game long and still sucked. Kalil sucked, but he did it without much help.
Ive gone back and watched games as well and Ive seen him getting plenty of help at times. it seemed as if they sent the TE one way and the RB the other as they knew that both were over matched on most plays. sure he was left alone at times, but he was helped plenty as well.
Quote: @medaille said:
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In 2015, I believe we lost 2 starters to injury in the
preseason and then were the only team that had it’s starters intact through the
regular season, so no changes once the season started. Maybe you meant 2016.
Right 2016 was the bad season as far as losing players throughout the season. But in 2015 we lost two starters and had to rely on a rookie at RT before the season even began. Not a good thing for a team that was already weak on the Oline. 2016 was an absolute shit show.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ NorthernCalVike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I miss Tice...
Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media
I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice.
He was a good O-line guy. Withrow was way too small IIRC. Don't remember Stringer or Load being destined for the scrap heap, but he certainly turned them into studs at their position.
They were not as bad as Clemmings but both struggled early on. Don't tell me you don't remember all the message board posts complaining about Leadfoot, or any number of other pejoratives describing his stiffness. Stringer wasn't as bad, but he certainly didn't live up to his 1st-round billing until about his 5th season.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
They were not as bad as Clemmings but both struggled early on. Don't tell me you don't remember all the message board posts complaining about Leadfoot, or any number of other pejoratives describing his stiffness. Stringer wasn't as bad, but he certainly didn't live up to his 1st-round billing until about his 5th season.
I remember many derogatory comments about Loadholt, but much of them were just typical bitching. He wasn't a LT by any stretch and struggle with speed, but he was a damn good lineman from my memory. Remember him throwing all 6-8 of his body to the ground to cut a DE as we ran a screen to that side. Was thinking, don't know if I would do that cuz hauling that body back up off the turf takes some serious effort.
So negative comments on a message board don't really mean much from my perspective. Have heard glowing remarks about Charlie Johnson's year at LT, so it goes both ways.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ NorthernCalVike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I miss Tice...
Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media
I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice.
He was a good O-line guy. Withrow was way too small IIRC. Don't remember Stringer or Load being destined for the scrap heap, but he certainly turned them into studs at their position.
They were not as bad as Clemmings but both struggled early on. Don't tell me you don't remember all the message board posts complaining about Leadfoot, or any number of other pejoratives describing his stiffness. Stringer wasn't as bad, but he certainly didn't live up to his 1st-round billing until about his 5th season.
which is something that we should all keep in mind when it comes to these kids. College is doing less and less to help prepare these kids for the Pro game and they seem to be coming into the pros younger and younger every year. ( how long before they say screw college and just start bringing the kids in from HS?) anyway, I would bet that many of these kids we are throwing away at 23 and 24 years old really could be salvaged into great linemen if teams were to look at some sort of way to keep them in a training program away from football until they are fully developed. I dont know to many people that peak in strength and overall athleticism at 23 or 24 years old, not to mention all the other mental stuff that needs time to come along.
The University of Spoiled Children lives up to it's name once again! B)
I would definitely agree with the comment @ JimmyinSD made about college not having these kids prepared for NFL.
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