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Well now we need a back up RB
#41
Let’s take a look at some of the biggest industries funding anti-cannabis lobby groups, and the unethical reasons why…
Big Tobacco
A powerful industry like big tobacco can have immense lobbying power, and there are genuine concerns that tobacco companies are eyeing up cannabis as a potential legal investment. But tobacco companies are also still active in anti-cannabis lobby groups.
In Florida, a lobby group called Drug Free Florida has been campaigning hard to get state residents to vote against legalization of cannabis. Upon looking closer at the group, one of their principle lobbyists is a woman named Sarah Bascom, who is also a long-time and prominent lobbyist on behalf of the Dosal Tobacco Corp.

Jeff Sessions, the ex-Attorney General of the United States, received donations from the tobacco company R.J. Reynolds (maker of Camel cigarettes) that were so excessive that some of the money had to be returned! These donations helped him get elected to the Senate back in 1996, and there’s evidence that he acted as a shill for them – and against legal cannabis – consistently since then!

So why would tobacco companies lobby against cannabis if their ultimate aim is to profit from it themselves? Well, the answer may be right there in the question – they lobby against laws that would make it accessible to everyone, while also putting out feelers on how best to take it over themselves.

Like tobacco giant Philip Morris back in 1970, when they “applied for and (were) granted a special permit to grow, cultivate and make marijuana extracts“!

Big Alcohol
Big alcohol companies fund anti-cannabis lobby groups for more straightforward reasons. In the U.S. States where cannabis has become widely accessible in recent years, there has been a corresponding decline in alcohol sales.
In Colorado, Washington and Oregon, beer sales declined across the board since the introduction of legal cannabis, and the decline got even more significant when legalization was fully implemented, according to a report from industry analysts Cowen & Co.

With all three of these states now having fully implemented a
[cannabis] retail infrastructure, the underperformance of beer in these
markets has worsened throughout 2016.

As well as this, another survey showed that the average yearly spend per person in Washington State is now almost identical for cannabis and alcohol.

Male customers tend to spend more annually on marijuana products
($647) than female customers ($634)…For comparison, Americans spend
about $1,000 a year on coffee and $645 a year on alcohol.

While that’s fantastic news for fans of cannabis, it doesn’t take a
genius to understand why it might worry the alcohol industry. In fear of
losing even more of their market share, alcohol companies have been
implicated in funding anti-cannabis lobby groups in California, Arizona, and Massachusetts at least.

Recently, many big players seem to have changed their approach
though. Rather tthanspending money to keep cannabis illegal, they now
invest into cannabis business’. It’s no secret that the edible market is
growing at an insane pace and the alc industry wants a piece of the
pie.

Big Pharma
The tactics employed by big alcohol and big tobacco companies to challenge legal cannabis may be insidious and sneaky, but they pale in comparison to big pharma when it comes to total lack of morals and respect for human life.
By funding anti-cannabis researchers and organizations, lobbying government agencies, and “donating” to politicians, big pharma plays an immense and crucial role in maintaining political opposition to the legalization of cannabis.

Again, this occurs due to the fear of losing out on profits. In U.S. states with legal cannabis, opioid use has fallen considerably, along with the number of deaths associated with their use.

One of the biggest opponents to cannabis legalization is the
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA). In 2014
alone, PhRMA spent about $16.6 million on lobbying.

Private Prisons
The private prison industry in the USA (and also in some other countries like the UK and France) directly benefits from the prohibition of cannabis, as it gives them a steady stream of new inmates. Private prisons are set up to profit for each inmate, so a steady stream of them is precisely what they want.
One of the largest private prison companies, Corrections Corporation of America, has stated that keeping drugs illegal is essential to its business success. Since 2008, the corporation has spent around $970,000 per year on lobbying.

Police & Prison Unions
Police unions depend heavily on funding for anti-drug efforts, and also receive money from asset forfeitures when properties are seized as a result of drug crimes. They have a strong interest in maintaining this situation and have consistently donated to lobby groups fighting the legalization of cannabis and other drugs.
In California, a group called the Coalition for Responsible Drug Policies was heavily involved in campaigning against last year’s successful initiative to legalize recreational cannabis.

The funds came from groups representing law enforcement, including
the California Police Chiefs Association, the Riverside Sheriffs’
Association, the Los Angeles Police Protective League’s Issues PAC, and
the California Correctional Supervisor’s Organization.

Prison guard unions fear the legalization of cannabis as it would reduce the need for prison staff, in private prisons that are also profiting from the illegality of cannabis.

In 2008, the California prison union provided funds to help defeat
Proposition 5, a measure to create prison diversion programs for
nonviolent offenders with drug problems.

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#42
Quote: @1VikesFan said:
I really believe pot should be legalized.  The problem I have with limiting the amount a person can have is, why treat it different than alcohol?  As far as I know there is no law that says I can't have 50 cases of beer in in my basement why should they limit how much pot I have? 

Also, I completely agree with Barr, alcohol is much more lethal than pot will ever be. 

As far as corporate rules, if you want to work for a certain company you have to abide by their rules.  If I get tested positive for pot, I'm fired, just the way it is where I work.  Even if pot gets legalized they aren't going to change the company policy. 
That is my point. Why how much he had is even irrelevant. At least on proving intent. If you had 5 kegs of beer and several cases of wine or liquor does that mean you are intending to illegally sell it? No might mean your stocking up for a big party. I doubt this guy was selling this just as much as I doubt it was all for his personal use. He made enough money to be so generous. Well maybe not NOW... but maybe he thought he did.
I also don't want to hear that we don't need to allow more things harmful to people to become legalized. I don't think politicians are the best judges of what is or isn't in our best interest. Not after they took millions to help tobacco hush their little secret. Lets people make their own bad choices if that's what makes them happy. Maybe them politicians should stick to worrying about covering up their own bad choices and stay the hell out of ours.
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#43
Quote: @holmanjp said:
@pumpf said:
@Purplewhizz said:
@purplefaithful said:
What a dumb asz...

According to reports, law enforcement officers executed a search warrant at his apartment on Jan. 16 and found multiple glass jars containing marijuana and marijuana wax. The jars contained more than three times the amount of marijuana needed for a felony charge. The jars were found in the living room and bedroom of the apartment.Thomas could be facing up to five years in prison. Even if he is acquitted or pleads guilty to lesser charges, the NFL disciplinary rules regarding controlled substances could lead to a suspension for Thomas. That suspension would stay with Thomas if the Vikings released him and he joined another team.

Officers were led to search the apartment after the building’s manager reportedly received complaints about the smell of marijuana coming from his apartment. Thomas reportedly told officers that he knew of the complaints.
He doesn’t sound too bright, does he?  If he knew about neighbors complaining, you’d think he’d have maybe cracked a window or something.  Sounds like they were smoking tons of the stuff.  
Your last comment is the answer to your initial question.
They found 5 ounces, $500 worth of weed.

Now MN tax payers can dish out how much for is room and board for 5 years in prison.
He would/could have earned 3-5 mill over next 5 years. How much is that, in lost State income taxes alone???

All over a plant that grows in the wild.

One less person that might bump into someone while walking to 7-11 for more Cheetos.
The side walks are now safe.
Whoa, your’e rolling w/ the 70’s pricing on those oz’s...  Wink B)  
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#44
Quote: @Kentis said:
@holmanjp said:
@pumpf said:
@Purplewhizz said:
@purplefaithful said:
What a dumb asz...

According to reports, law enforcement officers executed a search warrant at his apartment on Jan. 16 and found multiple glass jars containing marijuana and marijuana wax. The jars contained more than three times the amount of marijuana needed for a felony charge. The jars were found in the living room and bedroom of the apartment.Thomas could be facing up to five years in prison. Even if he is acquitted or pleads guilty to lesser charges, the NFL disciplinary rules regarding controlled substances could lead to a suspension for Thomas. That suspension would stay with Thomas if the Vikings released him and he joined another team.

Officers were led to search the apartment after the building’s manager reportedly received complaints about the smell of marijuana coming from his apartment. Thomas reportedly told officers that he knew of the complaints.
He doesn’t sound too bright, does he?  If he knew about neighbors complaining, you’d think he’d have maybe cracked a window or something.  Sounds like they were smoking tons of the stuff.  
Your last comment is the answer to your initial question.
They found 5 ounces, $500 worth of weed.

Now MN tax payers can dish out how much for is room and board for 5 years in prison.
He would/could have earned 3-5 mill over next 5 years. How much is that, in lost State income taxes alone???

All over a plant that grows in the wild.

One less person that might bump into someone while walking to 7-11 for more Cheetos.
The side walks are now safe.
Whoa, your’e rolling w/ the 70’s pricing on those oz’s...  Wink B)  
Hey man where can I score a lid? 
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#45
I was thinking it was like half of that amount for one myself? outside of legal states anyways...

It's the only explanation for an NFL player selling it; they have to be making enough cash on the side to make having that much on hand at once worthwhile. They don't need that much on hand to just smoke it... unless maybe he was hella paranoid about... uh... ridin' dirty.

When a player has that much on them, I'd be concerned about teammates getting caught up with him or it. When he can get by using and holding that much pot it's easy to picture other players trying to live a similar, lowkey, pot smoking lifestyle. ...pending discipline and/or suspensions don't care about the moral arguments for it. I don't want other players on our squad getting caught up in that without some kind of changes to the CBA; it's too risky.
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#46
Quote: @Kentis said:
@holmanjp said:
@pumpf said:
@Purplewhizz said:
@purplefaithful said:
What a dumb asz...

According to reports, law enforcement officers executed a search warrant at his apartment on Jan. 16 and found multiple glass jars containing marijuana and marijuana wax. The jars contained more than three times the amount of marijuana needed for a felony charge. The jars were found in the living room and bedroom of the apartment.Thomas could be facing up to five years in prison. Even if he is acquitted or pleads guilty to lesser charges, the NFL disciplinary rules regarding controlled substances could lead to a suspension for Thomas. That suspension would stay with Thomas if the Vikings released him and he joined another team.

Officers were led to search the apartment after the building’s manager reportedly received complaints about the smell of marijuana coming from his apartment. Thomas reportedly told officers that he knew of the complaints.
He doesn’t sound too bright, does he?  If he knew about neighbors complaining, you’d think he’d have maybe cracked a window or something.  Sounds like they were smoking tons of the stuff.  
Your last comment is the answer to your initial question.
They found 5 ounces, $500 worth of weed.

Now MN tax payers can dish out how much for is room and board for 5 years in prison.
He would/could have earned 3-5 mill over next 5 years. How much is that, in lost State income taxes alone???

All over a plant that grows in the wild.

One less person that might bump into someone while walking to 7-11 for more Cheetos.
The side walks are now safe.
Whoa, your’e rolling w/ the 70’s pricing on those oz’s...  Wink B)  
Lofl!

Yah and smoking flower is old 70's too...Vaping is the way to go. Very subtle can be high quality too. 

Least that's what they tell me... :3



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#47
@pumpf

No, I don't think legalizing marijuana is a good idea, I think it's a great idea. Tax the crap out of it and rebuild our infrastructure, schools, make healthcare truly affordable....making it legal isn't going to introduce a significant number of new users...if any...
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#48
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@pumpf said:

So... making ANOTHER problematic substance legal... is a good idea?  That'd be like drafting a fast WR with no hands and no route running ability... because we've already done it.
 

Do you view beer, wine, and other forms of booze as a problematic substance?  I don't.  I like drinking beers, but that doesn't mean it's taking over my life.

If I wanted to take a hit or two of some weed, I think that should be within my rights too.  I'm in control of what I consume, and I'd prefer not allowing the government decide that booze is "Ok", but weed is "Bad".  It's just stupid, and I think politics has plenty to do with it.

I think stopping weed from being legal has little to do with health and more to do with big corps freaking out. 

Here's an article pointing out those that lobby against legalizing weed the most.

https://internationalhighlife.com/top-5-lobby-groups-legal-cannabis/


POTENTIALLY problematic would've been a better way of phrasing it.  Alcohol- in moderation- is (pretty much) harmless.  But in excess, it can be deadly.  I don't know enough about addictions to know if it is easier or harder (or the same) to become addicted to alcohol or to marijuana.  I totally get that legalizing weed is comparable to legalizing alcohol.  But I'm not convinced that "we" have thought through all the negatives that will accompany such legislation (including higher costs for social problems to deal with the excesses).
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#49
Quote: @HappyViking said:
Let’s take a look at some of the biggest industries funding anti-cannabis lobby groups, and the unethical reasons why…
All of that may be true; and it makes (business) sense.  But I'm not relying on any of those industries to form my opinion.  For the most part (for better or worse), I've formed it on my own- apart from emperical data.  Now, that may undercut my argument; but it's the truth.
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#50
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@pumpf

No, I don't think legalizing marijuana is a good idea, I think it's a great idea. Tax the crap out of it and rebuild our infrastructure, schools, make healthcare truly affordable....making it legal isn't going to introduce a significant number of new users...if any...
If you read the information I posted, it responds to that argument: namely, that the amount of money taken in by increased taxes would fall far short of the cost to pay for the social programs needed to provide care for those who abuse the drug.  As for making it legal, that's really only an opinion.  In my opinion, it would.  Using the alcohol argument: if prohibition were still the law of the land, would people be more or less likely to drink?  I, for one, wouldn't risk getting busted with an illegal substance.  But now, with it legal, I've had the same Blue Moon in my fridge for 6 months (I'm not much of a drinker).  I daresay that there are lots of "rule-followers" who would do the same.  But with it being legal (and so easily accessible), LOTS of people "use" alcohol.  Why wouldn't weed by the same: that, once legalized, lots more people would use it?  
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