Quote: @"medaille" said:
@"Mike Olson" said:
People have this wrong idea about what a vaccine does. It doesn’t prevent you from getting a disease or even having sumptoms or even having bad complications or death. It gives you a much greater percentage of not suffering those things and your body’s ability to beat it quickly when it encounters it thus creating a less likelihood of spreading it.
I agree that people have the wrong idea of what a vaccine is,
but it’s not that people are misinformed, but rather that the pharmaceutical
community is redefining what the word means.
The people who make vaccines have conquered the easy diseases, the ones
that are stable and provide lifelong immunity, and that we can eradicate
through vaccination. Now they are making
“vaccines” that target harder diseases that mutate quickly and are less effective, so they’re
redefining what a “vaccine” is to include these less effective drugs. The CDC officially changed the definition of
vaccination and vaccine from providing “immunity” to providing “protection”
last month which reflects these lowered standards.
The issue to me is that the politicians that have been
promoting these vaccines have been using the original definition and have been
walking it back repeatedly as the public becomes aware of the lesser
effectiveness of these vaccines. You can
see this when Biden said “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be
hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to
die.” Or when Fauci has slowly increased the herd immunity numbers because the
amount that vaccinated people spread Covid is larger than they originally branded
it to be. You can see this when the
media brands people as anti-vaxxers as if all vaccines are the same and offer
similar levels of protection, rather than people who are picking out which
vaccines will work for them. You can see
this in the watering down of the definition of what fully vaxxed means. Right now the CDC is letting us know that they
are considering to redefine what “fully vaxxed” means. In Israel, who is a few months ahead of us in
terms of vaccine rollouts, people who only have the initial 1-2 shots are not
fully vaxxed anymore. In the next couple
months we’ll see that here, where people who are currently “fully vaxxed” lose
their vaccinated status. So people who
work in companies affected by vaccine mandates will have to get their booster
shots every couple of months to stay employed.
Granted, this redefinition is probably a decade or two
overdue and probably should have been in the public consciousness once they
started calling the partially functional flu shots vaccines.
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Quote: @"Waterboy" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Mike Olson" said:
Just found out the first teen death in MN was the son of my Sisters coworker. Tough deal. The entire family got covid. The son didn’t make it. None were vaxed. I am sure there are regrets.
I am sure there are regrets. But dancing on graves is not a great look, especially when you are trying to come off as the sane empathetic one.
Nobody is 'dancing on graves', but its a cautionary tale. Its a warning of danger, the potential byproduct of a decision and how it could be prevented. Its like saying we shouldn't have PSA's involving drunk driving: is that 'dancing on people's graves'?? If there is regret, then that means something could have been done differently to prevent it.
The anti-vaxxers spend more time coming up with ridiculous rationalizations than anything. Stubborn fools.
I can say the exact same things about people that have been vaxed and refuse to admit they were sold a false bill of goods. Why is everybody so inclined to ignore the science that is ahead of us in the form of Israel and the UK? It doesn't support the narrative, and in many cases it's starting to say you're "more" likely to have complications now as a result of the jab. But even our own politically influenced "scientists" are refusing to let the public see the real data. That's scary.
Yet Israel has one of the highest rates of vaccination on the planet...
Like has been posted already, we can find data to support any position one wants to take.
I'm way done trying to change anyones mind and just trying to be civil to those with a different view. Do what we feel we need to do to keep ourselves well.
Quote: @"purplefaithful" said:
@"Waterboy" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Mike Olson" said:
Just found out the first teen death in MN was the son of my Sisters coworker. Tough deal. The entire family got covid. The son didn’t make it. None were vaxed. I am sure there are regrets.
I am sure there are regrets. But dancing on graves is not a great look, especially when you are trying to come off as the sane empathetic one.
Nobody is 'dancing on graves', but its a cautionary tale. Its a warning of danger, the potential byproduct of a decision and how it could be prevented. Its like saying we shouldn't have PSA's involving drunk driving: is that 'dancing on people's graves'?? If there is regret, then that means something could have been done differently to prevent it.
The anti-vaxxers spend more time coming up with ridiculous rationalizations than anything. Stubborn fools.
I can say the exact same things about people that have been vaxed and refuse to admit they were sold a false bill of goods. Why is everybody so inclined to ignore the science that is ahead of us in the form of Israel and the UK? It doesn't support the narrative, and in many cases it's starting to say you're "more" likely to have complications now as a result of the jab. But even our own politically influenced "scientists" are refusing to let the public see the real data. That's scary.
Yet Israel has one of the highest rates of vaccination on the planet...
Like has been posted already, we can find data to support any position one wants to take.
I'm way done trying to change anyones mind and just trying to be civil to those with a different view. Do what we feel we need to do to keep ourselves well.
Yes. So we should still be free to make a personal decision. Except for Rodgers, he needs to be put in prison for his dangerous deception.
Quote: @"greediron" said:
@"purplefaithful" said:
@"Waterboy" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Mike Olson" said:
Just found out the first teen death in MN was the son of my Sisters coworker. Tough deal. The entire family got covid. The son didn’t make it. None were vaxed. I am sure there are regrets.
I am sure there are regrets. But dancing on graves is not a great look, especially when you are trying to come off as the sane empathetic one.
Nobody is 'dancing on graves', but its a cautionary tale. Its a warning of danger, the potential byproduct of a decision and how it could be prevented. Its like saying we shouldn't have PSA's involving drunk driving: is that 'dancing on people's graves'?? If there is regret, then that means something could have been done differently to prevent it.
The anti-vaxxers spend more time coming up with ridiculous rationalizations than anything. Stubborn fools.
I can say the exact same things about people that have been vaxed and refuse to admit they were sold a false bill of goods. Why is everybody so inclined to ignore the science that is ahead of us in the form of Israel and the UK? It doesn't support the narrative, and in many cases it's starting to say you're "more" likely to have complications now as a result of the jab. But even our own politically influenced "scientists" are refusing to let the public see the real data. That's scary.
Yet Israel has one of the highest rates of vaccination on the planet...
Like has been posted already, we can find data to support any position one wants to take.
I'm way done trying to change anyones mind and just trying to be civil to those with a different view. Do what we feel we need to do to keep ourselves well.
Yes. So we should still be free to make a personal decision. Except for Rodgers, he needs to be put in prison for his dangerous deception.
Rogers got caught cheating the system.
There are consequences to some of those decisions, especially with the OSHA rules soon going into effect.
Whether those consequences are severity of illness one may contract, staying employed, out-of-pocket insurance premiums, survivor death benefits to be paid (or not) etc.
I absolutely believe our planet/society are better off with Covid being eradicated and vaccines are the best way to get there.
Heck, my own grand nephew wont get vaxed even though he's a waiter/bartender, his call. But I cant/wont have him around my 90 year old uncle this TG nor among the unvaxed toddlers at the supper table. I love him to death too.
The littlest things in life are now so damn complicated.
Wish this cluster f would end...
Quote: @"greediron" said:
@"VikingOracle" said:
Tried to act like he was vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, you are going to get COVID.
I received my booster yesterday.
Lol, sorry but gotta call out the bullshit. It doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not, you are likely gonna get covid. Brandon Jacobs has been out for several weeks, comes back and has covid. How many vaxxed players and coaches where out last week. Chicago got it bad, everyone had to follow the unvaxxed protocols.
Quote: @"greediron" said:
Already considered it. And made that decision.
And as I said, your implication that vaccination will prevent you from getting covid is bullshit.
As to Rodgers, he is young and healthy and will likely be fine. He is still a class A dipshit and I hope GB loses every game. But Zimmer is vaxxed and been more of a dipshit about covid than Rodgers.
Of course it’s not bulllshit it’s FACT. If you are vaccinated your chances of getting COVID drop drastically. I think it’s by something around 92%. There are “breakthrough” cases of course—nothing is 100%. The occasional breakthrough is not proof of lack of efficacy. Just like a couple of dummies don’t define a large group.
and btw what does Rodgers mean by “alternative treatment”? Does he know something doctors don’t? Lol.
Quote: @"purplefaithful" said:
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I absolutely believe our planet/society are better off with Covid being eradicated and vaccines are the best way to get there.
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Covid will never be eraticated. Even if everyone on the planet was vaccinated 2x-4x a year or whatever the booster recommendations end up being, the vaccine is still leaky. People will still get sick with Covid, keep spreading the disease and keeping the genepool alive. Then the virus will eventually mutate in a way that the vaccine no longer works.
Furthermore, the vaccine companies are only vaccinating the rich countries and large percentages of the world does not trust the vaccines (or their governments) and won't take them. This ensures that even if one country could theoretically vaccinate with a perfect vaccine their entire population, the virus would evolve in the non-vaccinated population, until it mutates in a way that the vaccine no longer works. Now if you assume that everyone is perfectly willing to get vaccinated, you have to ask the question, is it feasible that the vaccine companies could vaccinate the entire population of the world fast enough to eradicate the disease before it evolves again?
Over time the virus will most likely evolve to be more infectious but less deadly and it will be similar to our normal flu.
Quote: @"medaille" said:
@"purplefaithful" said:
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I absolutely believe our planet/society are better off with Covid being eradicated and vaccines are the best way to get there.
...
Covid will never be eraticated. Even if everyone on the planet was vaccinated 2x-4x a year or whatever the booster recommendations end up being, the vaccine is still leaky. People will still get sick with Covid, keep spreading the disease and keeping the genepool alive. Then the virus will eventually mutate in a way that the vaccine no longer works.
Furthermore, the vaccine companies are only vaccinating the rich countries and large percentages of the world does not trust the vaccines (or their governments) and won't take them. This ensures that even if one country could theoretically vaccinate with a perfect vaccine their entire population, the virus would evolve in the non-vaccinated population, until it mutates in a way that the vaccine no longer works. Now if you assume that everyone is perfectly willing to get vaccinated, you have to ask the question, is it feasible that the vaccine companies could vaccinate the entire population of the world fast enough to eradicate the disease before it evolves again?
Over time the virus will most likely evolve to be more infectious but less deadly and it will be similar to our normal flu.
Yes, it's now endemic...Who knows how the heck the thing will mutate? I just hope we dont reign more misery and sorrow on people than has already been done.
If someone wants to explore the Israel Covid response, I am offering a few articles (I think the New England Journal of Medicine article is very interesting):
I am not going to supply quotes and I tried to choose fairly reputable institutions, just here for the curious (like myself).
Quote: @"purplefaithful" said:
@"medaille" said:
@"purplefaithful" said:
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I absolutely believe our planet/society are better off with Covid being eradicated and vaccines are the best way to get there.
...
Over time the virus will most likely evolve to be more infectious but less deadly and it will be similar to our normal flu.
Yes, it's now endemic...Who knows how the heck the thing will mutate? I just hope we dont reign more misery and sorrow on people than has already been done.
Yeah, no one knows how it will mutate, just that they typically get weaker and more contagious.
Quote: @"VikingOracle" said:
If someone wants to explore the Israel Covid response, I am offering a few articles (I think the New England Journal of Medicine article is very interesting):
I am not going to supply quotes and I tried to choose fairly reputable institutions, just here for the curious (like myself).
You won't change minds, VO...not sure how we ever got here over a vaccine of all things, but here we are.
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