Well that tears it, Kirk is against the competitive rebuild, blasphemy I say…!  B)
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
Quote: @Geoff Nichols said:
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
What a great take.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
I guess it all really depends on what you want to compete for, but yes, the level of competition of this team has been largely controlled by Cousins, I will maintain until I'm dead that if Kirk would have taken a Brady approach, he would have delivered a Lombardi to MN. With his run of good health added onto spreading 10-15 million each year over a few of those key deficient positions in FA along the O and D line, instead of swings and misses in the draft, I think we would have gotten it done, or at the very least made people think we were the team to beat.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
I guess it all really depends on what you want to compete for, but yes, the level of competition of this team has been largely controlled by Cousins, I will maintain until I'm dead that if Kirk would have taken a Brady approach, he would have delivered a Lombardi to MN. With his run of good health added onto spreading 10-15 million each year over a few of those key deficient positions in FA along the O and D line, instead of swings and misses in the draft, I think we would have gotten it done, or at the very least made people think we were the team to beat.
MAybe, but part of what you are saying here is an indictment on the front office, scouts and staff. Not the starting QB.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
I guess it all really depends on what you want to compete for, but yes, the level of competition of this team has been largely controlled by Cousins, I will maintain until I'm dead that if Kirk would have taken a Brady approach, he would have delivered a Lombardi to MN. With his run of good health added onto spreading 10-15 million each year over a few of those key deficient positions in FA along the O and D line, instead of swings and misses in the draft, I think we would have gotten it done, or at the very least made people think we were the team to beat.
MAybe, but part of what you are saying here is an indictment on the front office, scouts and staff. Not the starting QB.
well yes, they are the ones to give him the contract and to extend it because they couldnt find a replacement, but honestly they havent even tried since Kirk got here. They have been swinging and missing on various positions, pissing away draft picks on stupidity, but all teams do that, hell the patriots have sucked at drafting for so long, yet they were arguably one of the most dominant dynasties the game has seen, in an era where it was said dynasties would die because of the salary cap and players leaving good teams for bigger paydays. Brady mitigated those loses with his pay check and it paid off in spades. Like I said, if Kirk was about brining a Lombardi to MN, there wasnt a better road map than the one laid out by the goat during Kirks same time in the game, but Kirk the Merc got his and the fans got more of the same heart ache, good but never really that good.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
I guess it all really depends on what you want to compete for, but yes, the level of competition of this team has been largely controlled by Cousins, I will maintain until I'm dead that if Kirk would have taken a Brady approach, he would have delivered a Lombardi to MN. With his run of good health added onto spreading 10-15 million each year over a few of those key deficient positions in FA along the O and D line, instead of swings and misses in the draft, I think we would have gotten it done, or at the very least made people think we were the team to beat.
There's only one thing to compete for. It's simple from there: with Kirk we contend for it, without him we don't, at least not without getting incredibly lucky in the draft.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
I guess it all really depends on what you want to compete for, but yes, the level of competition of this team has been largely controlled by Cousins, I will maintain until I'm dead that if Kirk would have taken a Brady approach, he would have delivered a Lombardi to MN. With his run of good health added onto spreading 10-15 million each year over a few of those key deficient positions in FA along the O and D line, instead of swings and misses in the draft, I think we would have gotten it done, or at the very least made people think we were the team to beat.
There's only one thing to compete for. It's simple from there: with Kirk we contend for it, without him we don't, at least not without getting incredibly lucky in the draft.
We haven't really since he got here, whats going to change now that he's a year older and coming off injury?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
I guess it all really depends on what you want to compete for, but yes, the level of competition of this team has been largely controlled by Cousins, I will maintain until I'm dead that if Kirk would have taken a Brady approach, he would have delivered a Lombardi to MN. With his run of good health added onto spreading 10-15 million each year over a few of those key deficient positions in FA along the O and D line, instead of swings and misses in the draft, I think we would have gotten it done, or at the very least made people think we were the team to beat.
There's only one thing to compete for. It's simple from there: with Kirk we contend for it, without him we don't, at least not without getting incredibly lucky in the draft.
We haven't really since he got here, whats going to change now that he's a year older and coming off injury?
To start, the defense is better. Improved from hovering between 30th and 31st the last two years to top half this year. Second, if there's a better QB/WR/WR/TE in the NFL, I'd like to know who it is. The tackles are elite and Cousins, who improved significantly in year two of the offense would very likely improve even more in his 3rd. Yes, the injury is a concern, but not the age yet.
I'll be very surprised if Kwesi and company don't do everything they can to bring Kirk back.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ comet52 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
I haven't seen this comp much, but McCarthy reminds me a lot of Brock Purdy with a better arm. That's good enough in the right environment. But I do think it leads you to believe there will be some limitations. But you nailed the fact that McCarthy needs to probably sit at least a year. I just don't think that will be Kirk if its the route they go. Kirk and his camp are very aware the Vikings may draft a developmental QB and won't sign a deal that makes that a favorable outcome for MN. E.G they'll ask for guarantees through year 2 and partial guarantees into the 3rd year of a contract with no trade clause. I wouldn't read that as Kirk not wanting to be a team player. Its rather he wants it to be his team without the media pressure and fan favoritism towards a backup QB. What's the upside to drafting a QB then having him sit through most of the years you have cost control?
Do KAM/KOC want to hitch their carees to aging Kirk off an achilles injury?
Is the fan base going to stay interested in a team that wins 7-10 games every year and never does squat in the playoffs? The home field advantage seems to have evaporated and a friend who goes to every game says it feels dead in there a lot of the time.
As always I wonder what the direction is and can't see one that leads anywhere beyond revenue as the primary concern. Ymmv.
It'll be interesting to hear Geoff...
Some of my own thoughts:
There is a BIG downside to pushing a rook QB out there too early
GB imo is best in bringing a QB along
None of the Tier 2 guys (who are the highest probability of being a Viking) are viewed as year 1 starters
Vikings with Kirk were 13/3 with a 28 ranked D just a season removed, 23 was an injury shit show
All that said, I am not sure the Vikings and Kirk are going to reach agreement on a structure, especially with how Geoff is laying-out what Cousins is looking for.
A lot will come down to who is interested and how his market shapes up. If in the end its hot and some ready to win teams like the Falcons, Steelers, etc. want to go for it over the next 2-3 years I don't really see how they are going to find a contract structure that works for MN. Comet said it well, Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge QB, he is looking to compete and win. So the Vikings can't really have it both ways. In other terms its where you are either competitive or rebuilding and aren't undergoing a competitive rebuild.
Leaves MN in a real funny spot either needing to keep the pedal down on competing now or trading up for a high-end rookie QB who can play immediately.
The irony is that it is Cousins himself who is going to flip the switch between competitive and not competitive.
I guess it all really depends on what you want to compete for, but yes, the level of competition of this team has been largely controlled by Cousins, I will maintain until I'm dead that if Kirk would have taken a Brady approach, he would have delivered a Lombardi to MN. With his run of good health added onto spreading 10-15 million each year over a few of those key deficient positions in FA along the O and D line, instead of swings and misses in the draft, I think we would have gotten it done, or at the very least made people think we were the team to beat.
There's only one thing to compete for. It's simple from there: with Kirk we contend for it, without him we don't, at least not without getting incredibly lucky in the draft.
We haven't really since he got here, whats going to change now that he's a year older and coming off injury?
To start, the defense is better. Improved from hovering between 30th and 31st the last two years to top half this year. Second, if there's a better QB/WR/WR/TE in the NFL, I'd like to know who it is. The tackles are elite and Cousins, who improved significantly in year two of the offense would very likely improve even more in his 3rd. Yes, the injury is a concern, but not the age yet.
I'll be very surprised if Kwesi and company don't do everything they can to bring Kirk back.
That defense was starting to look defeated later in the year, and losing Harry won't help it any.
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