Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
At some point you would think that fans would stop making excuses for why this team hasn't been competitive since 2009!
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
At some point you would think that fans would stop making excuses for why this team hasn't been competitive since 2009!
Careful, you might be called out as too negative for the rah rah, all is well, crowd.
C'mon now...Not competitive since 09??
This is just an example of belief and conviction over fact...
11/5 in 2015
Championship game in 17? Minny Miracle?
10/6 in 2019
13/4 and division title in 22?
I get the SB drought, but not competitive isn't remotely accurate.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Maye definitely has issues. He can play great one minute then make a head scratching decision. He reminds me so much of Matthew Stafford and unfortunately Blake Bortles coming out. His arm is better than Bortles and similar to Stafford. Both Stafford and Bortles had issues starting out with streaks of decent play then regression. Bortles never really worked out of it while Stafford did. Maye is a question mark, but he does have the tools to thrive if he has what it takes mentally.
I see many TD’s from Drake, but Int’s to go with it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Honestly, I think it's mostly about his prototypical NFL QB traits. He looks like Justin Herbert. But when you put him on you see a lot of flaws. True with all of them, but I expected more from a guy some think is the 1st or 2nd best QB in the best QB class in years.
I think there is a certain allure projecting Maye into the Shannahan/McVay offense. I personally really like each of Williams/Maye/Daniels. But Maye is the one I feel best about playing in structure. Can definitely see why KOC particularly would like him. He's not perfect. Not many rookie QBs are. His supporting cast also didn't help him much. But you're getting a guy who's diverse and can beat any defense with his arm. Every blade of grass is in-play. Then add in some mobility and you have something.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
At some point you would think that fans would stop making excuses for why this team hasn't been competitive since 2009!
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
At some point you would think that fans would stop making excuses for why this team hasn't been competitive since 2009!
Careful, you might be called out as too negative for the rah rah, all is well, crowd.
C'mon now...Not competitive since 09??
This is just an example of belief and conviction over fact...
11/5 in 2015
Championship game in 17? Minny Miracle?
10/6 in 2019
13/4 and division title in 22?
I get the SB drought, but not competitive isn't remotely accurate.
Yes. 2009. If you think the team that was is in the championship game in 17 was truly competitive, they got smoked. Yes it was an unexpected fun season, but they weren't good enough to be a superbowl caliber team.
Nor were they a championship caliber team in 2019 and certainly 2022. Maybe a chance in 2015, but how did that go?
When I say competitive, I mean a team that is good enough to win it all.
The Vikings used to field a team that was competitive to win it all about every 10 years. I haven't seen one since 2009.
Maye shuffles his feet in the pocket and drifts towards the side he intends to throw to. Needs to learn to set and go through progressions. His play is uneven. Sometimes makes reads, sometimes locks on a guy. Makes a great throw then one that misses badly. His footwork is all over the place.
Plays behind a weak line and with bad receivers, so he will arrive in the NFL with the ability to move and throw under pressure. Hard to find examples of him throwing from a clean pocket with open targets. Throws a nice deep ball. Has the size and tools and good straight line speed. Can slide when he remembers to but usually crashes into defenders-another inconsistent trait. Throws into tight coverage and makes the occasional wtf throw that gets picked.
He'll get drafted high and need a lot of work to clean up the issues. Could develop into a solid top 10-15 type guy like Kirk. I don't see him as that franchise game changer that every team is hoping to find but some team will try to sell that to it's fanbase regardless. Reminds me of Matt Stafford with that ability to look great on one play then kill the drive on the next one. A football roller coaster ride, if you enjoy that sort of thing.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Honestly, I think it's mostly about his prototypical NFL QB traits. He looks like Justin Herbert. But when you put him on you see a lot of flaws. True with all of them, but I expected more from a guy some think is the 1st or 2nd best QB in the best QB class in years.
I think there is a certain allure projecting Maye into the Shannahan/McVay offense. I personally really like each of Williams/Maye/Daniels. But Maye is the one I feel best about playing in structure. Can definitely see why KOC particularly would like him. He's not perfect. Not many rookie QBs are. His supporting cast also didn't help him much. But you're getting a guy who's diverse and can beat any defense with his arm. Every blade of grass is in-play. Then add in some mobility and you have something.
Definitely agree with the bold. I think he has the highest floor among all the QBs, landing somewhere between Daniel Jones and Justin Herbert. Just not sure he has greatness written on him.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Honestly, I think it's mostly about his prototypical NFL QB traits. He looks like Justin Herbert. But when you put him on you see a lot of flaws. True with all of them, but I expected more from a guy some think is the 1st or 2nd best QB in the best QB class in years.
I think there is a certain allure projecting Maye into the Shannahan/McVay offense. I personally really like each of Williams/Maye/Daniels. But Maye is the one I feel best about playing in structure. Can definitely see why KOC particularly would like him. He's not perfect. Not many rookie QBs are. His supporting cast also didn't help him much. But you're getting a guy who's diverse and can beat any defense with his arm. Every blade of grass is in-play. Then add in some mobility and you have something.
I think any of those top 3 ending up in Minnesota is a pipe dream. So the question becomes, how would you rank that second tier (Nix, Penix, McCarthy) group as far as fit for the Vikings?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/175...00653?s=20
Feel like most will be surprised to see JJ McCarthy so high on the list. People bag on him for not really carrying Michigan, but if you watch his tape in detail he really made a lot of throws when they needed it most, which plays into that 3rd down %. Pulls out the storyline that Michigan may just have not needed to throw it much to win. Still don't think we saw what McCarthy can or can't be in that offense. Tough projection.
One thing McCarthy has developed that will help his pro career is play-action. He's excellent at hiding it, much like Cousins. I think he's got a bunch of upside, he's a young guy who just turned 21 years old and would benefit greatly by being drafted by Minnesota and sitting behind Cousins.
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