Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Solid would be a stretch. He rarely played what I would call solid. He was susceptible to so many different moves it really was like watching a guy trying to not drown...he flailed and flailed and kept his head above water, most the time, but he never really got anywhere. He gave up a lot of hits and hurries even though they didn't end up as sacks they still affected the QB he was supposed to be protecting
I will go back to what the coaches thought. he was good enough to leave on an island versus the top pass rushers. His failures were memorable and stand out, but I would say he was solid with occasional glaring lapses. I did a breakdown in 2015 I think. He had around 1 to 2 noticeable failures a game. (there were likely more less-obvious depending on scheme and such) Too many for a lock down LT, but far from the "worse than Charlie Johnson" line.
He wasn't on an island, they often had a TE or RB chip on his side, they don't call it help if they are just chip blocking, but it's still help. He was a pussy in every sense of the worD and proven to be a bitch to boot.
Yep, always was. Never understood fans defending him.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Shit! If we only demanded excellence.
I wish we had a couple posters in the locker room with that saying. That alone would have made a difference. Who is in charge of our motivational posters???
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Solid would be a stretch. He rarely played what I would call solid. He was susceptible to so many different moves it really was like watching a guy trying to not drown...he flailed and flailed and kept his head above water, most the time, but he never really got anywhere. He gave up a lot of hits and hurries even though they didn't end up as sacks they still affected the QB he was supposed to be protecting
I will go back to what the coaches thought. he was good enough to leave on an island versus the top pass rushers. His failures were memorable and stand out, but I would say he was solid with occasional glaring lapses. I did a breakdown in 2015 I think. He had around 1 to 2 noticeable failures a game. (there were likely more less-obvious depending on scheme and such) Too many for a lock down LT, but far from the "worse than Charlie Johnson" line.
He wasn't on an island, they often had a TE or RB chip on his side, they don't call it help if they are just chip blocking, but it's still help. He was a pussy in every sense of the worD and proven to be a bitch to boot.
Yep, always was. Never understood fans defending him.
I will admit that i gave him the benefit of the doubt the 2nd and 3rd year as he was supposedly trying to find his pro playing weight and that can screw with the body leading to injuries and shit, but damn.... 4 straight years of sub par performances and excuses was just to much to write off as snake bitten. I also agree that he never really seemed like he wanted to play football, maybe it was just his demeanor, but he always seemed to show any fire about the game.
Quote: @Tom Moore said:
I was there. They pushed his ass and pushed his ass in camp his last 3 years. First Davidson and then Sparano. Both line coaches worked only with him for large chunks of time and he still lunged and grabbed.
He has talent, but both doesn't like the game (it is a well-known fact, but it's a lot of money and he has no other marketable skills) and is very lazy. He was always the first one off the field.
He was a waste of space, just like Ponder, tuecexperiment was far too long
Exactly. I said the same in a facebook group that claimed that he just wasn't coached enough. Gimme a break. THis guy got all the attention he deserved and more and if you don't think those coaches were demanding excellence out of him.... well I don't know what to tell ya. The guy went to the injury card every single time, and maybe he was injured. But the fact is that he just wasn't that good. He didn't pan out for us. Now maybe Carolina has some magic oline coaches and things are going to be different.... But I wouldn't bet on it.
Quote: @medaille said:
I'm not convinced we have much for OLine coaching. We have had far too many problems to peg it completely on shitty talent and injuries, but Kalil's lack of drive and desire are very easy to see. I think Reiff will be a noticeable upgrade, but we should still be working on improving our OLine coaching.
We have also had an unreal amount of injuries at less than ideal points of the season. Sure all teams have injuries. But how many different oline combinations did we trot out there in 2015. I know it was a stat that they would show often.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
I miss Tice...
Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
He wasn't on an island, they often had a TE or RB chip on his side, they don't call it help if they are just chip blocking, but it's still help.
Not really, as I said, I went through game video and focused on him quite a bit. TJ was getting the help, the chips and such. Kalil was left to sink or swim no his own.
He may be a bitch, and he may be lazy, but the coaches left him to man his post. As I said, I wish he had an ounce of desire for "excellence", he may have been a long term answer. But it just isn't true that he was worse than Charlie Johnson who was helped all game long and still sucked. Kalil sucked, but he did it without much help.
At times he looked as though he wasn't even trying. Like Bryant McKinnie lazy. I don't even know if lazy is the word for it. It just looked like he didn't care.
Quote: @NorthernCalVike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I miss Tice...
Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media
I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice.
Came across pretty immature, honestly. With all of the PR training these guys have, you have to imagine he could have heaped just as much praise on his current coaches, and NOT have thrown all of his Vikes & USC coaches under the bus in the same comment. Hard to think this was anything but a jab at our coaching staff.
That wanker was paid millions to be a Matador, and nearly get our QBs killed, and he got chance after chance. You'd you'd be thankful and at least a little gracious to the team that gave you a chance and made you a multi-millionaire in the process.
Not to personalize this too much, but my current company and I don't quite see eye to eye, and behind the scenes I've been pretty frustrated. That doesn't mean I'm going to bad mouth them if I find another position elsewhere... I'll be gracious and thankful that they've employed me for X years, and allowed me to provide more than I ever thought for my family. We'll shake hands and I'll move on.
Kalil needs to grow up.
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