Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Brees in 2006 was given a contract in the top 5 range at the time, somewhere between 10-12 million per year. That is the range a lot of viking fans want to pay a good qb now). Sometimes you need to take a chance or enjoy your 14/9 mediocre QB play for the rest of eternity.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Brees in 2006 was given a contract in the top 5 range at the time, somewhere between 10-12 million per year. That is the range a lot of viking fans want to pay a good qb now). Sometimes you need to take a chance or enjoy your 14/9 mediocre QB play for the rest of eternity.
thats some simple logic there, just because the team doesnt go and buy the next shiny FA QB doesnt mean that they are going to suffer at the position for eternity.
not directed at anybody here, just a mini rant....
holy shit some of you think that cousins comes with some sort of guarantee, that his dumb ass interceptions are just going to cease, and why the hell is nobody even talking about his shitty ball protection? 13 fumbles this year... are you fucking kidding me? 31 fumbles in the last 3 seasons to go along with his 36 interceptions. 67 turnovers in his last 3 years and we are talking about this guy as some sort of answer to our championship drought? That is nearly 1.4 turnovers per game. 30 million a year? please.
I may be blinded by loyalty or purple shades or what ever, but i think that shinny green grass on the others side of the street is skewing some vision the other way.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Brees in 2006 was given a contract in the top 5 range at the time, somewhere between 10-12 million per year. That is the range a lot of viking fans want to pay a good qb now). Sometimes you need to take a chance or enjoy your 14/9 mediocre QB play for the rest of eternity.
thats some simple logic there, just because the team doesnt go and buy the next shiny FA QB doesnt mean that they are going to suffer at the position for eternity.
not directed at anybody here, just a mini rant....
holy shit some of you think that cousins comes with some sort of guarantee, that his dumb ass interceptions are just going to cease, and why the hell is nobody even talking about his shitty ball protection? 13 fumbles this year... are you fucking kidding me? 31 fumbles in the last 3 seasons to go along with his 36 interceptions. 67 turnovers in his last 3 years and we are talking about this guy as some sort of answer to our championship drought? That is nearly 1.4 turnovers per game. 30 million a year? please.
I may be blinded by loyalty or purple shades or what ever, but i think that shinny green grass on the others side of the street is skewing some vision the other way.
He's also thrown 81 TDs in the last 3 years and over 13,000 yards. Which he's done with little run game and an inconsistent offensive line. See, we can do this ying and yang thing all day long. What it comes down to most times with us fans is our personal preferences, which makes for a lively message board.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Brees in 2006 was given a contract in the top 5 range at the time, somewhere between 10-12 million per year. That is the range a lot of viking fans want to pay a good qb now). Sometimes you need to take a chance or enjoy your 14/9 mediocre QB play for the rest of eternity.
thats some simple logic there, just because the team doesnt go and buy the next shiny FA QB doesnt mean that they are going to suffer at the position for eternity.
not directed at anybody here, just a mini rant....
holy shit some of you think that cousins comes with some sort of guarantee, that his dumb ass interceptions are just going to cease, and why the hell is nobody even talking about his shitty ball protection? 13 fumbles this year... are you fucking kidding me? 31 fumbles in the last 3 seasons to go along with his 36 interceptions. 67 turnovers in his last 3 years and we are talking about this guy as some sort of answer to our championship drought? That is nearly 1.4 turnovers per game. 30 million a year? please.
I may be blinded by loyalty or purple shades or what ever, but i think that shinny green grass on the others side of the street is skewing some vision the other way.
He's also thrown 81 TDs in the last 3 years and over 13,000 yards. Which he's done with little run game and an inconsistent offensive line. See, we can do this ying and yang thing all day long. What it comes down to most times with us fans is our personal preferences, which makes for a lively message board.
in watching the skins the past 2 years, that was a 3-4 win team without Cousins.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Brees in 2006 was given a contract in the top 5 range at the time, somewhere between 10-12 million per year. That is the range a lot of viking fans want to pay a good qb now). Sometimes you need to take a chance or enjoy your 14/9 mediocre QB play for the rest of eternity.
thats some simple logic there, just because the team doesnt go and buy the next shiny FA QB doesnt mean that they are going to suffer at the position for eternity.
not directed at anybody here, just a mini rant....
holy shit some of you think that cousins comes with some sort of guarantee, that his dumb ass interceptions are just going to cease, and why the hell is nobody even talking about his shitty ball protection? 13 fumbles this year... are you fucking kidding me? 31 fumbles in the last 3 seasons to go along with his 36 interceptions. 67 turnovers in his last 3 years and we are talking about this guy as some sort of answer to our championship drought? That is nearly 1.4 turnovers per game. 30 million a year? please.
I may be blinded by loyalty or purple shades or what ever, but i think that shinny green grass on the others side of the street is skewing some vision the other way.
He's also thrown 81 TDs in the last 3 years and over 13,000 yards. Which he's done with little run game and an inconsistent offensive line. See, we can do this ying and yang thing all day long. What it comes down to most times with us fans is our personal preferences, which makes for a lively message board.
so 27 TDs to 22 turnovers makes him a top money guy? still dont see it. everybody wants to point at his surrounding cast and say thats why the skins record is not better with him at QB, I am saying we need to look at the possibility that his turn overs are very likely a strong reason why that team couldnt get over the hump. like I've said, hes jay cutler 2.0
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Yeah but at least he does not smoke!
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Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Yeah but at least he does not smoke!
and if a camera isnt on him he treats old people and children like dirt...
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
Did anyone think any of them were when they were traded? Would anyone have traded them if they did?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Out of curiosity...how many teams have bought a championship by grabbing a FA QB? Some might day Denver, but that defense won that one, Manning was barely better than his backup IIRC. What was that guys name that was going to be great that went from Atlanta to houston? Or that guy that was such a rising star in Cleveland and so many were clamoring for him? How many rings did the great jay cutler end up with again? It takes more to be a champion than impressive stats.
The notion that this teams failure to bring a lombardi home because they won't spend stupid on a FA qb is assinine, 09 ring a bell?
It's easy to forget all the failed attempts to buy a trophy when we just had one slip away, but history doesn't really bear with buying a QB and having great things happen.
FA QBs of any consequence are rarely available but since you’re referencing trades, I would say Drew Brees worked out pretty well for New Orleans, Brett Favre was pretty good for Green Bay, Steve Young did okay at San Francisco and Fran Tarkenton had a few decent years with the Vikings.
all of which are HOF QBs, does anybody actually think cousins is in that league?
At the time Brees was leaving SD to go to the saints did he look like a HOF QB to you? He certainly did not to me. Cousins looks better now than brees was at that point. Steve Young looked like a bust, Brett had hardly played, Fran was probably not in HOF discussion when the Vikings reacquired him in 1972.
and with the exception of brees, those teams didnt have to break their cap to find out. maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but thats a huge gamble on a guy that is turnover prone in clutch situations. his passing stats are impressive, but on a mediocre team that plays from behind a lot... I just dont see him as being much more than a newer version of jay cutler.
Brees in 2006 was given a contract in the top 5 range at the time, somewhere between 10-12 million per year. That is the range a lot of viking fans want to pay a good qb now). Sometimes you need to take a chance or enjoy your 14/9 mediocre QB play for the rest of eternity.
thats some simple logic there, just because the team doesnt go and buy the next shiny FA QB doesnt mean that they are going to suffer at the position for eternity.
not directed at anybody here, just a mini rant....
holy shit some of you think that cousins comes with some sort of guarantee, that his dumb ass interceptions are just going to cease, and why the hell is nobody even talking about his shitty ball protection? 13 fumbles this year... are you fucking kidding me? 31 fumbles in the last 3 seasons to go along with his 36 interceptions. 67 turnovers in his last 3 years and we are talking about this guy as some sort of answer to our championship drought? That is nearly 1.4 turnovers per game. 30 million a year? please.
I may be blinded by loyalty or purple shades or what ever, but i think that shinny green grass on the others side of the street is skewing some vision the other way.
Here are some numbers of QBs in their 4th through 6th seasons in the NFL.
Kirk Cousins – 81 TDs, 36 INTs, 31 fumbles
Aaron Rodgers – 86 TDs, 31 INTs, 24 fumbles
Drew Brees – 77 TDs, 33 INTs, 22 fumbles
Ben Roethlisberger – 75 TDs, 38 INTs, 30 fumbles
Philip Rivers – 83 TDs, 35 INTs, 25 fumbles
Matt Ryan – 87 TDs, 43 INTs, 13 fumbles
Matthew Stafford – 71 TDs, 48 INTs, 28 fumbles
Here is another breakdown of Cousins over the last 3 years and not even considering it was his 3rd season starting ...
https://www.fredericknewspost.com/sports/level/professional/the-numbers-don-t-lie-kirk-cousins-is-elite/article_58d64dfe-ac06-5528-ba3d-46b9838d063d.html
Looked at this way, Brady, with a 99-22 touchdown-to-turnover ratio, and
Rodgers, 92-30, are almost in a different quarterback universe. The
next most impressive group, with tons of touchdowns but half as many
turnovers (or less), are Brees (97-40), Wilson (94-38), Newton (97-47)
and Cousins (94-47.)
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So why are the turnovers lower in this article?
Because of the 31 fumbles that Cousins has had the last 3 years, they only lost 11.
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/profile
I am not seeing where his turnovers are much different than most of the top QBs in their 4ht through 6th seasons.
And I definitely would not count a fumble that is not lost as a turnover even though it probably led to a punt.
Most of the time, the fumbles incurred by a QB is because of a strip sack. Cant blame a QB for that. Well, I wont.
What about those 94 TDs? No one wants to talk about that. Just the bad things.
If Cousins comes to the Vikings. I'm sure his TD total will drop. Because when Zimmers sais we got all the points we need...Time for my defense to close the game out. :p 
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