KAM....just take the deal, dude....

[JR44]

1 starter out of 23 picks while making very poor use out of draft capital and going into draft #4 with only 3 picks and yet we have some who want to play the "hater"card like there is no debating that he has done a terrible job drafting

[JustInTime]

1 starter out of 23 picks while making very poor use out of draft capital and going into draft #4 with only 3 picks and yet we have some who want to play the "hater"card like there is no debating that he has done a terrible job drafting

Does Kwesi do something besides acquire players via the draft?

[MAD GAINZ]

It shouldn’t be some grand revelation that functional organizations are run by bosses who listen to the team he’s assembled. The scouting staff, the coaching staff, the medical staff. They all have input. On draft picks and free agents. That’s how it’s supposed to work. Doesn’t always tho. Sometimes teams are run by GMs who make decisions unilaterally. 

Who do you give credit for the Jalen Hurts pick? Howie Roseman or Doug Pederson? Roseman made the final decision, but Pederson was heavily involved in the scouting. That's how it works. How about Jalen Reagor? I've heard that there may have been something specifically different about that one. A difference of opinion among coaches and scouting I hear? But again, Howie made the pick. You can't just say "oh his staff fucked up on that one." 

My point is that teams are going to have good picks and bad picks. But the GM is the one in charge so he is the one who ultimately is accountable for all of them. If JJ fails, do you honestly think people will blame KOC? I didn't think so. In either case, I’m going to start blaming Donatell for Lewis Cine. :-)

You didn't answer my question about why that makes one a Kwesi hater...

Not trying to bust your balls, Maroon.  You're making this a binary black and white thing and we both agree it's not.

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Does Kwesi do something besides acquire players via the draft?

For sure. This is the Spielman debate in reverse.  He drafted very well most years, but FA was super hit and miss with him.

Kwesi is the opposite, he's put together one average FA class, one fantastic one, and has another that looks really strong.  But GMs are graded on how well they do in all player acquisition.  Not just the draft, but UDFAs, Free Agency, Trades, etc.

In 3 years, we have one starter from 3 draft classes and another starter who was an UDFA.  If Kwesi hadn't hit on so many FAs last off-season we'd be running him out the door.  He needs to draft better.  His 2023 class is average IMO.  Got one starter in the first round and may have a contributor at CB, and got a starter from his UDFA class.

I love our QB pick and Dallas Turner, but we gotta see these guys turn into starters before we grade the 2024 draft.  That's where the skepticism is coming in.

He's trending up, but I'm not 100% sold.  That first year was that bad.

[mblack]

Look, you're new (ish) and I know the Kwesi haters. I've put their likely answers above. But you forgot my favorite...Who drafted our franchise QB? That was a KOC pick. Love that one. The artful lengths some will go to to avoid giving credit to the GM blows your mind. Oh wait, I have another! Who signed Ivan Pace Jr? He wasn't drafted, so that doesn't count.

To add to your point (which I 100% support) if “they” are going to give BFlo and KOC all the credit for the good picks then KOC and Ed _onatelli are to blame for all the bad picks right?
Without the leadership of the GM Free agency and the draft does not work. As insinuated, he puts together the staff and makes the final decision.

[MAD GAINZ]

To add to your point (which I 100% support) if “they “ are going to give BFlo and KOC all the credit for the good picks then KOC and Ed _onatelli are to blame for all the bad picks right?

Who is this "they"?  Are you all bringing twitter beefs here from the lows of the low?  Cuz I don't see this kind of talk on our board?

[Canthony]

I wasn't fully on Kwesi when we hired him. His drafting has been less than impressive. I love what he did with trading up for Turner, however. Thought it was a bold but great move. I don't think I can discredit him at all for the FA signings he has brought. Him and Brez have done a fantastic job, with Kwesi bringing in the players, and Brez for configuring the contracts. I give full credit to Kwesi on what he has done with FA. I think analytics works a lot better with FA. You know what the players can do in the NFL. Bring in guys that not only have experience, but that fit exactly what we are trying to run.

I am not fully on board with Kwesi, but a couple good drafts might do the trick. I am one of the people that question him and KOC work partnership, however.

[JustInTime]

You didn't answer my question about why that makes one a Kwesi hater...

Not trying to bust your balls, Maroon.  You're making this a binary black and white thing and we both agree it's not.

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For sure. This is the Spielman debate in reverse.  He drafted very well most years, but FA was super hit and miss with him.

Kwesi is the opposite, he's put together one average FA class, one fantastic one, and has another that looks really strong.  But GMs are graded on how well they do in all player acquisition.  Not just the draft, but UDFAs, Free Agency, Trades, etc.

In 3 years, we have one starter from 3 draft classes and another starter who was an UDFA.  If Kwesi hadn't hit on so many FAs last off-season we'd be running him out the door.  He needs to draft better.  His 2023 class is average IMO.  Got one starter in the first round and may have a contributor at CB, and got a starter from his UDFA class.

I love our QB pick and Dallas Turner, but we gotta see these guys turn into starters before we grade the 2024 draft.  That's where the skepticism is coming in.

He's trending up, but I'm not 100% sold.  That first year was that bad.

Ok we agree Kwesi does more than control the draft but this is the only criteria he’s judged on. Because this is the same argument over and over just penned by different authors. 

Fascinating.

Cursory, at best, acknowledgement of pulling SEVEN starters from last year’s FA class. Several of which earned Pro Bowl selection if not All Pro. A minimum of FOUR starters on the interior of both lines with another likely starter at CB this year. 

Plus a trade for a RB that will actually be worthy of rotating in for basically nothing in capital (I can pull at least 3 different draft value charts as proof if need be) With a final result pre draft, UDFA period, post June 1 cuts of a roster that has pretty much universally declared on the board as playoff caliber if not championship caliber. I say again…

Fascinating.

I don’t know which thesis I’d want to work on more: as a physicist proof of Einstein’s multiverse or as an anthropologist as to the existence of another maybe subspecies of human seemingly resistant to constructing or acknowledging more than one prong of an argument.

Simply fascinating. I’m not being a jerk here. I sincerely mean that as someone who is interested in how people perceive and react to their surroundings and external stimuli.

[StickierBuns]

So I've been accused of being a KAM apologist a year ago and now I'm a hater, lol. Always fun on the board. I was the one a year ago saying we needed more time to judge KAM, that he was being harshly critiqued .....and that probably still applies to some aspect. He's a mixed bag of success and failure. Why a few here are denying the criticism is more than silly, he deserves it. I've accused MB of being a homer in the past, which he is and I know he hates that, but its hard to deny.

If KAM was the rockstar some say he is, he'd be signed by now. Bottom line. I hope he becomes one. And if you don't think the Wilfs view KOC differently than KAM, take off the purple colored blinders.

[StickierBuns]

Who is this "they"?  Are you all bringing twitter beefs here from the lows of the low?  Cuz I don't see this kind of talk on our board?

Yeah, I think that's whats happening. This isn't Twitter.

[JustInTime]

So I've been accused of being a KAM apologist a year ago and now I'm a hater, lol. Always fun on the board. I was the one a year ago saying we needed more time to judge KAM, that he was being harshly critiqued .....and that probably still applies to some aspect. He's a mixed bag of success and failure. Why a few here are denying the criticism is more than silly, he deserves it. I've accused MB of being a homer in the past, which he is and I know he hates that, but its hard to deny.

If KAM was the rockstar some say he is, he'd be signed by now. Bottom line. I hope he becomes one. And if you don't think the Wilfs view KOC differently than KAM, take off the purple colored blinders.

I don't think anyone is calling him a rockstar. So far all I've heard ad nauseam is he can't draft. I mean JFC there's more to the position than one aspect of the job.