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You had to use THAT example? 

The Purple Persuasion

@TPPSkol

According to@TomPelissero, the #Commanders have received calls from teams wanting the No. 2 pick. The Commanders are open to trading back but it’s going to take A LOT of capital  

From HC Dan Quinn:

“I certainly walked past it in the hallway when I was with the #Cowboys, years ago for a trade that involved Herschel Walker and many draft picks that changed a lot of their organization… [Adam’s] going to listen, but there’s only so many things that you’d consider and it’d better be really good.”

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@StickyBun said:

@FLVike said:

@MaroonBells said:

@CFIAvike said:

@Knucklehead said:
What if Kwesi pivoted completely? Traded down from #11 and/or #23. Acquired picks in this draft and/or the 2025 draft in order to take a shot at a QB next year.

If Kwesi trades DOWN in this draft from either position, he looks like a complete idiot.  What would have been  the purpose of trading for the second first rounder in the first place

To put us in a better position to trade up for a QB. But it didn't come with a guarantee that it was going to work. If it doesn't, I wouldn't force an ill fit. The Vikings are going to get two very good players there. But if the value is consistent between 23 and, say, 35, then a trade down might make some sense, especially if it gets you a second 1st rounder next year. 

Here's another problem with trading down; 2022, if he repeats that act then he is proving to be either the worst GM in NFL history or that he is being paid by the Lions and the Packers.

Can't he be both?

He can't be both because if he is being paid by the Lions and the Packers then he would be one of the best GM's in history.

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@FLVike said:

@StickyBun said:

@FLVike said:

@MaroonBells said:

@CFIAvike said:

@Knucklehead said:
What if Kwesi pivoted completely? Traded down from #11 and/or #23. Acquired picks in this draft and/or the 2025 draft in order to take a shot at a QB next year.

If Kwesi trades DOWN in this draft from either position, he looks like a complete idiot.  What would have been  the purpose of trading for the second first rounder in the first place

To put us in a better position to trade up for a QB. But it didn't come with a guarantee that it was going to work. If it doesn't, I wouldn't force an ill fit. The Vikings are going to get two very good players there. But if the value is consistent between 23 and, say, 35, then a trade down might make some sense, especially if it gets you a second 1st rounder next year. 

Here's another problem with trading down; 2022, if he repeats that act then he is proving to be either the worst GM in NFL history or that he is being paid by the Lions and the Packers.

Can't he be both?

He can't be both because if he is being paid by the Lions and the Packers then he would be one of the best GM's in history.

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@MaroonBells said:

You had to use THAT example? 

The Purple Persuasion

@TPPSkol

According to@TomPelissero, the #Commanders have received calls from teams wanting the No. 2 pick. The Commanders are open to trading back but it’s going to take A LOT of capital  

From HC Dan Quinn:

“I certainly walked past it in the hallway when I was with the #Cowboys, years ago for a trade that involved Herschel Walker and many draft picks that changed a lot of their organization… [Adam’s] going to listen, but there’s only so many things that you’d consider and it’d better be really good.”

It was the PICKS + PLAYERS that put that over the top....
I dont think you'll see that happen again. Least I hope not.
Stoopid Remarkable Mike Lynn (may he rip). 

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@MaroonBells said:

@CFIAvike said:

@Knucklehead said:
What if Kwesi pivoted completely? Traded down from #11 and/or #23. Acquired picks in this draft and/or the 2025 draft in order to take a shot at a QB next year.

If Kwesi trades DOWN in this draft from either position, he looks like a complete idiot.  What would have been  the purpose of trading for the second first rounder in the first place

To put us in a better position to trade up for a QB. But it didn't come with a guarantee that it was going to work. If it doesn't, I wouldn't force an ill fit. The Vikings are going to get two very good players there. But if the value is consistent between 23 and, say, 35, then a trade down might make some sense, especially if it gets you a second 1st rounder next year. 

Man, they really are going to blow this whole thing and get stuck with Darnold and either Nix or Penix, be the laughing stock of the league, finish dead last in the division and sit on the endless merry go round of trash QBs. 
Minnesota has absolutely no leverage. Every team in the NFL knows Sam Darnold is a hot garbage place holder and the Vikings are BEYOND desperate for a QB. Unfortunately there are half a dozen teams in the same boat with a better chance to get a difference maker than them. 
Kwesi cocked this whole thing up by not signing Kirk to a three year extension last year and it will be his undoing. If he just sits and lets the draft “come to him”, this team and all its one year contracts will implode

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@CFIAvike said:

@MaroonBells said:

@CFIAvike said:

@Knucklehead said:
What if Kwesi pivoted completely? Traded down from #11 and/or #23. Acquired picks in this draft and/or the 2025 draft in order to take a shot at a QB next year.

If Kwesi trades DOWN in this draft from either position, he looks like a complete idiot.  What would have been  the purpose of trading for the second first rounder in the first place

To put us in a better position to trade up for a QB. But it didn't come with a guarantee that it was going to work. If it doesn't, I wouldn't force an ill fit. The Vikings are going to get two very good players there. But if the value is consistent between 23 and, say, 35, then a trade down might make some sense, especially if it gets you a second 1st rounder next year. 

Man, they really are going to blow this whole thing and get stuck with Darnold and either Nix or Penix, be the laughing stock of the league, finish dead last in the division and sit on the endless merry go round of trash QBs. 
Minnesota has absolutely no leverage. Every team in the NFL knows Sam Darnold is a hot garbage place holder and the Vikings are BEYOND desperate for a QB. Unfortunately there are half a dozen teams in the same boat with a better chance to get a difference maker than them. 
Kwesi cocked this whole thing up by not signing Kirk to a three year extension last year and it will be his undoing. If he just sits and lets the draft “come to him”, this team and all its one year contracts will implode

That remains to be seen, who knows. But one thing I do know: if he signed Kirk to that 3 year extension last year, some fans would be bitching about that as well. A portion of the base wanted to move off of him regardless. 

The question mark I have about KAM is: why wouldn't the organization have drafted Will Levis when he was right there? The only thing I can think of is they didn't like him as a prospect. 

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@StickyBun said:

@CFIAvike said:

@MaroonBells said:

@CFIAvike said:

@Knucklehead said:
What if Kwesi pivoted completely? Traded down from #11 and/or #23. Acquired picks in this draft and/or the 2025 draft in order to take a shot at a QB next year.

If Kwesi trades DOWN in this draft from either position, he looks like a complete idiot.  What would have been  the purpose of trading for the second first rounder in the first place

To put us in a better position to trade up for a QB. But it didn't come with a guarantee that it was going to work. If it doesn't, I wouldn't force an ill fit. The Vikings are going to get two very good players there. But if the value is consistent between 23 and, say, 35, then a trade down might make some sense, especially if it gets you a second 1st rounder next year. 

Man, they really are going to blow this whole thing and get stuck with Darnold and either Nix or Penix, be the laughing stock of the league, finish dead last in the division and sit on the endless merry go round of trash QBs. 
Minnesota has absolutely no leverage. Every team in the NFL knows Sam Darnold is a hot garbage place holder and the Vikings are BEYOND desperate for a QB. Unfortunately there are half a dozen teams in the same boat with a better chance to get a difference maker than them. 
Kwesi cocked this whole thing up by not signing Kirk to a three year extension last year and it will be his undoing. If he just sits and lets the draft “come to him”, this team and all its one year contracts will implode

That remains to be seen, who knows. But one thing I do know: if he signed Kirk to that 3 year extension last year, some fans would be bitching about that as well. A portion of the base wanted to move off of him regardless. 

The question mark I have about KAM is: why wouldn't the organization have drafted Will Levis when he was right there? The only thing I can think of is they didn't like him as a prospect. 

No argument from me about Kirk.

I have no idea why the team didn't want Levis. A few years from now we'll probably get some answers on that, but right now it's a mystery. I suspect character. Vikings had several connections to him. They may not have liked what they heard. 

My issue with Kwesi is that he rarely seems willing to go that extra bit to get something done. He seems to have a very rigid financial vision and he stretches it for no one. We'll see if he's willing to give that extra little bit to land the QBOTF. Because if he's left standing at the altar two years in a row after failing with Cousins, the Wilfs are going to want answers. 

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Albert Breer

@AlbertBreer

More from Jim Harbaugh …

 • Says bc of the QBs at the top, being at 5 is “like having the No. 1 pick.”

 • Keeps talking about having players back. Fist-pumped and said, “April 2, that date’s on my mind.”

 • Called JJ McCarthy’s Pro Day, “the best throwing day I’ve ever seen.”

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@MaroonBells said:

Albert Breer

@AlbertBreer

More from Jim Harbaugh …

 • Says bc of the QBs at the top, being at 5 is “like having the No. 1 pick.”

 • Keeps talking about having players back. Fist-pumped and said, “April 2, that date’s on my mind.”

 • Called JJ McCarthy’s Pro Day, “the best throwing day I’ve ever seen.”

lol, that's classic Jim Harbaugh. Not sure how being able to move up for the #4 rated QB is like 'having the #1 pick'. He does love JJ, but its in his best interests to also hype JJM so that #5 pick becomes hotter. He knows Pro Days are garbage. 

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@StickyBun said:

@MaroonBells said:

lol, that's classic Jim Harbaugh. Not sure how being able to move up for the #4 rated QB is like 'having the #1 pick'. He does love JJ, but its in his best interests to also hype JJM so that #5 pick becomes hotter. He knows Pro Days are garbage. 

I think he just means the Chargers are in a very good position to get the best non-QB in the draft.