So it seems the board is bittersweet about this win?

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Keep doubting Dobbs.  A lot of this, "he will come back to earth" nonsense. . . why?  He knew zero about the playbook, or teammates, protections, or audibles.  With NO RUNNING Game and just beat the #6th best defense in their house without your best OL, WR, and #3WR.

I think you are all used to the lack of mobility and what it means to have a mobile QB again.  Extending drives, hitting second windows, turning broken plays into winning plays is now on the table again.  It's what KC, Philly, Buffalo, LA has with their QBs.  Especially against top D talent which you would face in the playoffs.  Our OL isn't going to dominate week in and out, having a mobile Qb will give us more chances.  Kirk lead Viking offenses have looked bi-polar at times, a couple of great quarters, and a couple of quarters of 3 and out.  Week in and out.  Lack of mobility was a huge part of that.

This also applies for Hall as well who might have a better floor as a NFL QB, would love to see what he can do with this team.

People overlook how many plays were made during that 2017 season by Case's legs.  Dobbs isn't losing this ability.  His knowledge of the playbook will only get better.  The surrounding cast will only get better.  He did a lot of things right in that game because they came naturally to him.  He's not losing that ability as we roll forward.

He played an absolute trash team in Arizona and still beat Dallas.  Hung closer to Baltimore (scoring 3 TDs vs that defense) than Detroit did, and had a very good game vs San Fransisco.

Is he going to have Kirk's passing performances?  No.  But is he going to get wins?  Yes he will.

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@Skodin said:
Keep doubting Dobbs.  A lot of this, "he will come back to earth" nonsense. . . why?  He knew zero about the playbook, or teammates, protections, or audibles.  With NO RUNNING Game and just beat the #6th best defense in their house without your best OL, WR, and #3WR.

I think you are all used to the lack of mobility and what it means to have a mobile QB again.  Extending drives, hitting second windows, turning broken plays into winning plays is now on the table again.  It's what KC, Philly, Buffalo, LA has with their QBs.  Especially against top D talent which you would face in the playoffs.  Our OL isn't going to dominate week in and out, having a mobile Qb will give us more chances.  Kirk lead Viking offenses have looked bi-polar at times, a couple of great quarters, and a couple of quarters of 3 and out.  Week in and out.  Lack of mobility was a huge part of that.

This also applies for Hall as well who might have a better floor as a NFL QB, would love to see what he can do with this team.

People overlook how many plays were made during that 2017 season by Case's legs.  Dobbs isn't losing this ability.  His knowledge of the playbook will only get better.  The surrounding cast will only get better.  He did a lot of things right in that game because they came naturally to him.  He's not losing that ability as we roll forward.

He played an absolute trash team in Arizona and still beat Dallas.  Hung closer to Baltimore (scoring 3 TDs vs that defense) than Detroit did, and had a very good game vs San Fransisco.

Is he going to have Kirk's passing performances?  No.  But is he going to get wins?  Yes he will.

Dude.....daHUUUD. Nobody hates Dobbs. He wins again this week, we'll officially change his name to Dubs and ride him into the playoffs. It's just that many of us have seen this movie before. And not like a dozen times, more like a hundred times. 

Can he get hot, feed off the rhythm of the offense and its very good weapons and win several more games this year, maybe even take us on a miraculous run? You betcha. All that's possible. But the odds of a QB who's been released EIGHT times being anything more than a stopgap are nearly zero. 

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Buckle up now, the season is officially half over…!  B)  

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@MaroonBells said:

@Skodin said:
Keep doubting Dobbs.  A lot of this, "he will come back to earth" nonsense. . . why?  He knew zero about the playbook, or teammates, protections, or audibles.  With NO RUNNING Game and just beat the #6th best defense in their house without your best OL, WR, and #3WR.

I think you are all used to the lack of mobility and what it means to have a mobile QB again.  Extending drives, hitting second windows, turning broken plays into winning plays is now on the table again.  It's what KC, Philly, Buffalo, LA has with their QBs.  Especially against top D talent which you would face in the playoffs.  Our OL isn't going to dominate week in and out, having a mobile Qb will give us more chances.  Kirk lead Viking offenses have looked bi-polar at times, a couple of great quarters, and a couple of quarters of 3 and out.  Week in and out.  Lack of mobility was a huge part of that.

This also applies for Hall as well who might have a better floor as a NFL QB, would love to see what he can do with this team.

People overlook how many plays were made during that 2017 season by Case's legs.  Dobbs isn't losing this ability.  His knowledge of the playbook will only get better.  The surrounding cast will only get better.  He did a lot of things right in that game because they came naturally to him.  He's not losing that ability as we roll forward.

He played an absolute trash team in Arizona and still beat Dallas.  Hung closer to Baltimore (scoring 3 TDs vs that defense) than Detroit did, and had a very good game vs San Fransisco.

Is he going to have Kirk's passing performances?  No.  But is he going to get wins?  Yes he will.

Dude.....daHUUUD. Nobody hates Dobbs. He wins again this week, we'll officially change his name to Dubs and ride him into the playoffs. It's just that many of us have seen this movie before. And not like a dozen times, more like a hundred times. 

Can he get hot, feed off the rhythm of the offense and its very good weapons and win several more games this year, maybe even take us on a miraculous run? You betcha. All that's possible. But the odds of a QB who's been released EIGHT times being anything more than a stopgap are nearly zero. 

Not saying there are any haters on Dobbs. Just a lot of doubters and for no reason other than it didn't work out for in shitty franchises like Cleveland, Arizona, Detroit, Jacksonville.  Not really a murderers row of talent evaluation.  

If anything he shows that a QB with legs can win on this team and we should stop paying Cousins a ransom.  I think Hall can be that guy as well, so could Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Caleb, Nix, Penix.  The NFL is not for 36 year old immobile QBs not named Tom Brady.

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@Skodin said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Skodin said:
Keep doubting Dobbs.  A lot of this, "he will come back to earth" nonsense. . . why?  He knew zero about the playbook, or teammates, protections, or audibles.  With NO RUNNING Game and just beat the #6th best defense in their house without your best OL, WR, and #3WR.

I think you are all used to the lack of mobility and what it means to have a mobile QB again.  Extending drives, hitting second windows, turning broken plays into winning plays is now on the table again.  It's what KC, Philly, Buffalo, LA has with their QBs.  Especially against top D talent which you would face in the playoffs.  Our OL isn't going to dominate week in and out, having a mobile Qb will give us more chances.  Kirk lead Viking offenses have looked bi-polar at times, a couple of great quarters, and a couple of quarters of 3 and out.  Week in and out.  Lack of mobility was a huge part of that.

This also applies for Hall as well who might have a better floor as a NFL QB, would love to see what he can do with this team.

People overlook how many plays were made during that 2017 season by Case's legs.  Dobbs isn't losing this ability.  His knowledge of the playbook will only get better.  The surrounding cast will only get better.  He did a lot of things right in that game because they came naturally to him.  He's not losing that ability as we roll forward.

He played an absolute trash team in Arizona and still beat Dallas.  Hung closer to Baltimore (scoring 3 TDs vs that defense) than Detroit did, and had a very good game vs San Fransisco.

Is he going to have Kirk's passing performances?  No.  But is he going to get wins?  Yes he will.

Dude.....daHUUUD. Nobody hates Dobbs. He wins again this week, we'll officially change his name to Dubs and ride him into the playoffs. It's just that many of us have seen this movie before. And not like a dozen times, more like a hundred times. 

Can he get hot, feed off the rhythm of the offense and its very good weapons and win several more games this year, maybe even take us on a miraculous run? You betcha. All that's possible. But the odds of a QB who's been released EIGHT times being anything more than a stopgap are nearly zero. 

Not saying there are any haters on Dobbs. Just a lot of doubters and for no reason other than it didn't work out for in shitty franchises like Cleveland, Arizona, Detroit, Jacksonville.  Not really a murderers row of talent evaluation.  

If anything he shows that a QB with legs can win on this team and we should stop paying Cousins a ransom.  I think Hall can be that guy as well, so could Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Caleb, Nix, Penix.  The NFL is not for 36 year old immobile QBs not named Tom Brady.

Look, after Dobbs' latest tik tok he released ....even I can't hate the guy.  I hope he shocks the entire world and becomes a multiple time Super Bowl champ and Hall of Famer with the Vikes.  However, I'm gonna go ahead and set my bar quite a bit lower.  

Historically, QBs that depend on their legs more than their arms don't have a ton of success taking their teams anywhere.  I get what you're saying about mobility, but I'd much rather have a QB that can make all the throws and do so accurately as opposed to depending on running for first downs.

In the last 10 years, a mobile QB has won the Super Bowl just 3 times. Two were Mahomes and one was Russell Wilson....both of whom prioritize throwing.  

You need a mobile QB when either your running game sucks, your offensive line sucks or both.  Right now, we have almost zero running game and our OL is hit or miss depending on the game.  Maybe someone with Dobbs' skillset fits us right now, but it's literally never been a winning formula.  Dobbs is a less talented, yet infinitely more likeable Kaepernick and no one won anything with him either.

Cousins is the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL, so no one can say the vikings are overpaying him.  Derek Carr makes more per year. I truly believe that this team could contend for a Super Bowl with Cousins, a stable OL (which we’re on the cusp of) and a running game (that needs to be addressed). 

The other option is to go complete rebuild and go on the unknown quest for a new QBOTF (which could take decades for all we know).  Either way, we’re not winning a Super Bowl with either Hall or Dobbs

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Cousins is the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL, so no one can say the vikings are overpaying him.  Derek Carr makes more per year. I truly believe that this team could contend for a Super Bowl with Cousins, a stable OL (which we’re on the cusp of) and a running game (that needs to be addressed). 

6 seasons Cousins was with us and how close have we come to a Super Bowl?
The Gaints playoff loss was just paththetic!

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@Norse said:
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Cousins is the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL, so no one can say the vikings are overpaying him.  Derek Carr makes more per year. I truly believe that this team could contend for a Super Bowl with Cousins, a stable OL (which we’re on the cusp of) and a running game (that needs to be addressed). 

6 seasons Cousins was with us and how close have we come to a Super Bowl?
The Gaints playoff loss was just paththetic!

You mean that Giants game where Cousins had a higher passing percentage and QBR than Jones. Threw for 275 yds. while Cook managed only 60 yds. rushing. Where our defense gave up over 140 yds rushing, 300 yds. passing and 31 points to frickin' Danny Dimes? You're going to hang that one on Cousins? That's kinda weird. 

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@mgobluevikes said:

@Norse said:
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Cousins is the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL, so no one can say the vikings are overpaying him.  Derek Carr makes more per year. I truly believe that this team could contend for a Super Bowl with Cousins, a stable OL (which we’re on the cusp of) and a running game (that needs to be addressed). 

6 seasons Cousins was with us and how close have we come to a Super Bowl?
The Gaints playoff loss was just paththetic!

You mean that Giants game where Cousins had a higher passing percentage and QBR than Jones. Threw for 275 yds. while Cook managed only 60 yds. rushing. Where our defense gave up over 140 yds rushing, 300 yds. passing and 31 points to frickin' Danny Dimes? You're going to hang that one on Cousins? That's kinda weird. 

I've seen worse than that hung on Cousins in this forum. A lot worse. Same people that said earlier this year that KOC is a horrible coach. The Wilfs suck as owners. Lame.

A few will just sit there, arms crossed, waiting for a Superbowl and anything less is shit and garbage. 

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@Skodin said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Skodin said:
Keep doubting Dobbs.  A lot of this, "he will come back to earth" nonsense. . . why?  He knew zero about the playbook, or teammates, protections, or audibles.  With NO RUNNING Game and just beat the #6th best defense in their house without your best OL, WR, and #3WR.

I think you are all used to the lack of mobility and what it means to have a mobile QB again.  Extending drives, hitting second windows, turning broken plays into winning plays is now on the table again.  It's what KC, Philly, Buffalo, LA has with their QBs.  Especially against top D talent which you would face in the playoffs.  Our OL isn't going to dominate week in and out, having a mobile Qb will give us more chances.  Kirk lead Viking offenses have looked bi-polar at times, a couple of great quarters, and a couple of quarters of 3 and out.  Week in and out.  Lack of mobility was a huge part of that.

This also applies for Hall as well who might have a better floor as a NFL QB, would love to see what he can do with this team.

People overlook how many plays were made during that 2017 season by Case's legs.  Dobbs isn't losing this ability.  His knowledge of the playbook will only get better.  The surrounding cast will only get better.  He did a lot of things right in that game because they came naturally to him.  He's not losing that ability as we roll forward.

He played an absolute trash team in Arizona and still beat Dallas.  Hung closer to Baltimore (scoring 3 TDs vs that defense) than Detroit did, and had a very good game vs San Fransisco.

Is he going to have Kirk's passing performances?  No.  But is he going to get wins?  Yes he will.

Dude.....daHUUUD. Nobody hates Dobbs. He wins again this week, we'll officially change his name to Dubs and ride him into the playoffs. It's just that many of us have seen this movie before. And not like a dozen times, more like a hundred times. 

Can he get hot, feed off the rhythm of the offense and its very good weapons and win several more games this year, maybe even take us on a miraculous run? You betcha. All that's possible. But the odds of a QB who's been released EIGHT times being anything more than a stopgap are nearly zero. 

Not saying there are any haters on Dobbs. Just a lot of doubters and for no reason other than it didn't work out for in shitty franchises like Cleveland, Arizona, Detroit, Jacksonville.  Not really a murderers row of talent evaluation.  

If anything he shows that a QB with legs can win on this team and we should stop paying Cousins a ransom.  I think Hall can be that guy as well, so could Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Caleb, Nix, Penix.  The NFL is not for 36 year old immobile QBs not named Tom Brady.

except Cousins was sort of killing it this season.  

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@CFIAvike said:

@Skodin said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Skodin said:
Keep doubting Dobbs.  A lot of this, "he will come back to earth" nonsense. . . why?  He knew zero about the playbook, or teammates, protections, or audibles.  With NO RUNNING Game and just beat the #6th best defense in their house without your best OL, WR, and #3WR.

I think you are all used to the lack of mobility and what it means to have a mobile QB again.  Extending drives, hitting second windows, turning broken plays into winning plays is now on the table again.  It's what KC, Philly, Buffalo, LA has with their QBs.  Especially against top D talent which you would face in the playoffs.  Our OL isn't going to dominate week in and out, having a mobile Qb will give us more chances.  Kirk lead Viking offenses have looked bi-polar at times, a couple of great quarters, and a couple of quarters of 3 and out.  Week in and out.  Lack of mobility was a huge part of that.

This also applies for Hall as well who might have a better floor as a NFL QB, would love to see what he can do with this team.

People overlook how many plays were made during that 2017 season by Case's legs.  Dobbs isn't losing this ability.  His knowledge of the playbook will only get better.  The surrounding cast will only get better.  He did a lot of things right in that game because they came naturally to him.  He's not losing that ability as we roll forward.

He played an absolute trash team in Arizona and still beat Dallas.  Hung closer to Baltimore (scoring 3 TDs vs that defense) than Detroit did, and had a very good game vs San Fransisco.

Is he going to have Kirk's passing performances?  No.  But is he going to get wins?  Yes he will.

Dude.....daHUUUD. Nobody hates Dobbs. He wins again this week, we'll officially change his name to Dubs and ride him into the playoffs. It's just that many of us have seen this movie before. And not like a dozen times, more like a hundred times. 

Can he get hot, feed off the rhythm of the offense and its very good weapons and win several more games this year, maybe even take us on a miraculous run? You betcha. All that's possible. But the odds of a QB who's been released EIGHT times being anything more than a stopgap are nearly zero. 

Not saying there are any haters on Dobbs. Just a lot of doubters and for no reason other than it didn't work out for in shitty franchises like Cleveland, Arizona, Detroit, Jacksonville.  Not really a murderers row of talent evaluation.  

If anything he shows that a QB with legs can win on this team and we should stop paying Cousins a ransom.  I think Hall can be that guy as well, so could Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Caleb, Nix, Penix.  The NFL is not for 36 year old immobile QBs not named Tom Brady.

Look, after Dobbs' latest tik tok he released ....even I can't hate the guy.  I hope he shocks the entire world and becomes a multiple time Super Bowl champ and Hall of Famer with the Vikes.  However, I'm gonna go ahead and set my bar quite a bit lower.  

Historically, QBs that depend on their legs more than their arms don't have a ton of success taking their teams anywhere.  I get what you're saying about mobility, but I'd much rather have a QB that can make all the throws and do so accurately as opposed to depending on running for first downs.

In the last 10 years, a mobile QB has won the Super Bowl just 3 times. Two were Mahomes and one was Russell Wilson....both of whom prioritize throwing.  

You need a mobile QB when either your running game sucks, your offensive line sucks or both.  Right now, we have almost zero running game and our OL is hit or miss depending on the game.  Maybe someone with Dobbs' skillset fits us right now, but it's literally never been a winning formula.  Dobbs is a less talented, yet infinitely more likeable Kaepernick and no one won anything with him either.

Cousins is the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL, so no one can say the vikings are overpaying him.  Derek Carr makes more per year. I truly believe that this team could contend for a Super Bowl with Cousins, a stable OL (which we’re on the cusp of) and a running game (that needs to be addressed). 

The other option is to go complete rebuild and go on the unknown quest for a new QBOTF (which could take decades for all we know).  Either way, we’re not winning a Super Bowl with either Hall or Dobbs

Yup.  Vick, Kaepernick, Hurts...

They either learn to read a defense and get the ball to playmakers or they try to carry the offense with one guy.  Throwing the ball down the field gets it there much faster than running it.  A RB run is part of the gameplan.  The off schedule QB scrambles are not sustainable, you can't build an offense off hero plays.