A QB with over 10 years of NFL experience can certainly be traded to a team that's balanced or has a strong defense. If that team has a great shot of making the playoffs with a below average to average QB, a QB like Cousins may take them deep in the playoffs. Starting off after a trade, he would just need to manage the offense and get familiar with it. That team that can gradually bring Cousins along and let him loose in the playoffs. Plus, it may not take him long to pickup offense since he's had a variety of offense coordinators throughout the years dating back to his Washington days.
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A QB with over 10 years of NFL experience can certainly be traded to a team that's balanced or has a strong defense. If that team has a great shot of making the playoffs with a below average to average QB, a QB like Cousins may take them deep in the playoffs. Starting off after a trade, he would just need to manage the offense and get familiar with it. That team that can gradually bring Cousins along and let him loose in the playoffs. Plus, it may not take him long to pickup offense since he's had a variety of offense coordinators throughout the years dating back to his Washington days.
I think you're oversimplifying things. I think what you're talking about works for WRs and RBs and DEs and CBs, but it doesn't work for QBs. Probably why it's never been done.
Also, what QB-needy team is already so good that a QB like Cousins is going to put them over the top? All teams headed to the playoffs already have QBs. It's why they're headed to the playoffs. I think it suffices to say this would not be a great team.
And so why would Cousins waive his NTC, leave KOCs offense, and JJ and Addison and TJH, to learn a new one, and move to God knows where, uprooting his home and family...all for a few more bucks that he's going to get in free agency this spring anyway? It really doesn't make a lot of sense.
I think it's more likely the Vikings extend Cousins than trade him.
Kirk has been about Kirk, end of story. Many Viking fans think he is a team guy, he's about Kirk. He's made over $150M from this franchise and produced nothing (goal is to compete for championships right?). He should have been the first to negotiate his contract so we would have cap room to sign him a premier G, DT. That would be a team guy, but he's not.
Nice NTC you have there, again holding this franchise that has done but support you, pay you very well, promote you, over the barrel.
This GM completely fucked up this offseason by extending him. You don't build around a mid 30s QB with limited mobility when you have a recent history of poor drafts and should be in the midst of a rebuild. His extension was about ticket sales, not winning a championship.
Now we look at a very high possibility of losing him and gaining NOTHING in return. Oh and also holding dead cap money for a guy who isn't going to be here.
I used to be the biggest supporter of the Wilds but I can't anymore. Their goal isn't to win a championship, it's to be well liked and keep the seats full. Fuck, there was 3,000 people at a blazing hot Tuesday august practice. This franchise will never go into a rebuild mode and will be MID FOREVER
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
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@ FLVike said:
If I am an owner in the NFL and my GM trades for Cousins, he would be fired that day.
In the middle of season? Yeah, I would fire both of the GMs. For the seller, you're not going to get full return because he's not going to come in, learn the offense and get in sync with his receivers in time to help the team he's going to. And for the buyer, see above.
if you are the Vikings, who have no hopes this year, need to get off the Kirk the Merc train after this year anyway, and somebody wants to give you day 1 or 2 draft pick to get Kirk in house to try and salvage a division title... who cares? you take that shit and run. Its not like this team is suddenly going to turn a corner this year.
Just a few problems with that. Uno, the Vikings aren't going to trade him for the reasons above. Dos, no team is going to trade for him for the reasons above. Tres, Justin Jefferson. And catorce, Cousins isn't going to waive his NTC in the middle of the freaking year to go to a one-QB-away team. Is there such a thing? Has there ever been such a thing? I mean, c'mon people. Be somewhat realistic.
And yes, while I do think the Vikings draft a QB this offseason, it does not necessarily mean Cousins is gone. Maybe. Just have to see how the rest of the year plays out.
WHAT reasons above? they arent a competitive team with him at the helm, what the hell are you expecting to happen, they lose? guess what, they are already doing that more often than not. which is why the team would be smart to take an offer if it comes along, nobody has done anything until somebody does it. and if you are right, and nobody makes trade offers, then why do you feel the need to get so defensive of the notion? Also, KC would likely be willing to waive the NTC in a hearbeat for a team willing to pay him what he wants on a contract extension with any trade deal, which is exactly what any team giving up an early round pick would demand to do such a deal.
Let's forget about the JJ factor and Kirk's NTC. QBs don't get traded mid-year because it takes a full offseason to learn an offense. He would be of no help to anyone. I can't believe you're still holding on to this.
Ive addressed the NTC multiple times, and QBs have been traded right before the season and been able to play fine. yes there would be a learning curve, but his experience and skill should count for something otherwise hes just mannion with a bigger contract. I am only commenting on your claims, I said a month ago they should try and move him then to allow for teams to get him up to speed before mid season. I cant believe you are still commenting on something you find so outlandish to even waste your time on.
and If JJ is going to tie himself to Cousins, then he needs to be on the block as well, JJ is not going to have KC his entire career, might as well start now.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ FLVike said:
If I am an owner in the NFL and my GM trades for Cousins, he would be fired that day.
In the middle of season? Yeah, I would fire both of the GMs. For the seller, you're not going to get full return because he's not going to come in, learn the offense and get in sync with his receivers in time to help the team he's going to. And for the buyer, see above.
if you are the Vikings, who have no hopes this year, need to get off the Kirk the Merc train after this year anyway, and somebody wants to give you day 1 or 2 draft pick to get Kirk in house to try and salvage a division title... who cares? you take that shit and run. Its not like this team is suddenly going to turn a corner this year.
Just a few problems with that. Uno, the Vikings aren't going to trade him for the reasons above. Dos, no team is going to trade for him for the reasons above. Tres, Justin Jefferson. And catorce, Cousins isn't going to waive his NTC in the middle of the freaking year to go to a one-QB-away team. Is there such a thing? Has there ever been such a thing? I mean, c'mon people. Be somewhat realistic.
And yes, while I do think the Vikings draft a QB this offseason, it does not necessarily mean Cousins is gone. Maybe. Just have to see how the rest of the year plays out.
WHAT reasons above? they arent a competitive team with him at the helm, what the hell are you expecting to happen, they lose? guess what, they are already doing that more often than not. which is why the team would be smart to take an offer if it comes along, nobody has done anything until somebody does it. and if you are right, and nobody makes trade offers, then why do you feel the need to get so defensive of the notion? Also, KC would likely be willing to waive the NTC in a hearbeat for a team willing to pay him what he wants on a contract extension with any trade deal, which is exactly what any team giving up an early round pick would demand to do such a deal.
Let's forget about the JJ factor and Kirk's NTC. QBs don't get traded mid-year because it takes a full offseason to learn an offense. He would be of no help to anyone. I can't believe you're still holding on to this.
Ive addressed the NTC multiple times, and QBs have been traded right before the season and been able to play fine. yes there would be a learning curve, but his experience and skill should count for something otherwise hes just mannion with a bigger contract. I am only commenting on your claims, I said a month ago they should try and move him then to allow for teams to get him up to speed before mid season. I cant believe you are still commenting on something you find so outlandish to even waste your time on.
and If JJ is going to tie himself to Cousins, then he needs to be on the block as well, JJ is not going to have KC his entire career, might as well start now.
Now there's something I agree with.
Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!
How fuggin' original.
Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP. 2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs. Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.
The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season. The o-line was crap, the defense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.
This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before. Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.
The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two. That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up. Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.
Quote: @Zanary said:
Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!
How fuggin' original.
Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP. 2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs. Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.
The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season. The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.
This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before. Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.
The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two. That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up. Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.
God damn kookaid drinking homer...
Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Zanary said:
Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!
How fuggin' original.
Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP. 2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs. Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.
The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season. The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.
This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before. Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.
The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two. That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up. Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.
God damn kookaid drinking homer...
Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.
you forgot the rest of the story, but you are dead on to this point, the rest is the team shits the bed once again in the wild card round, gets the 19th pick and chooses the 3rd defensive back off the board once again ignoring the need for QB or either line. meanwhile that DB never really fits what they need him to do here and cant get on the field because he is stuck behind some middlin late rounders and UDFAs... but dammit we've got that wild card game to reminisce on for the next few years....of course we would have won that playoff game if we hadnt traded Hunter, never mind that our O only puts up 13 points....because VIKINGS! :p
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Zanary said:
Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!
How fuggin' original.
Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP. 2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs. Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.
The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season. The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.
This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before. Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.
The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two. That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up. Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.
God damn kookaid drinking homer...
Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.
you forgot the rest of the story, but you are dead on to this point, the rest is the team shits the bed once again in the wild card round, gets the 19th pick and chooses the 3rd defensive back off the board once again ignoring the need for QB or either line. meanwhile that DB never really fits what they need him to do here and cant get on the field because he is stuck behind some middlin late rounders and UDFAs... but dammit we've got that wild card game to reminisce on for the next few years....of course we would have won that playoff game if we hadnt traded Hunter, never mind that our O only puts up 13 points....because VIKINGS! :p
Put me down for the wild card round part! We'll take it from there.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Zanary said:
Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!
How fuggin' original.
Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP. 2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs. Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.
The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season. The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.
This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before. Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.
The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two. That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up. Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.
God damn kookaid drinking homer...
Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.
This 2-4 and imo soon to be 2-6 team got its wins barely beating two of the worst teams in football, in fact they could have lost both games. I'd say going on a 6 game win streak is about as likely as me winning the lottery.
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