Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ minny65 said:
The Bills would be just fine without Hee Haw Beasley.
The Vikings would not without Weirdo Kirk who has positioned himself to be a martyr for his cause.
Then we also have Harry, Theilan and I think Cook +
Hoping a couple of those guys heed the in person meeting with a Top Infectious Disease expert yesterday.
We already know from Kirk's comment that "it is what it is" that he is sticking to his ignorant guns.
The vaccine helps you and also helps prevent the spread TO OTHERS!!! Move beyond selfishness and think of OTHERS.
The Science is clear - the vaccine works at around 90% .
But for those anti-vaxxers lets focus on the 10% it doesn't work on or a side effect that my neighbors aunt's friend posted on social media.
I would be curios to see the data on the vaccine having any effect on spreading it to others. From what I have found is that the vaccinated people carry the same viral load as unvaccinated and as such would be just as likely to transmit the virus.
Here is the latest from the CDC:
Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC
you are still as contagious, just not for as long, so if both a vaccinated and unvaccinated person went around the whole time they are contagious you are correct the vaccinated could end up exposing less people if all things were equal, but they arent so the variables involved are to great to say vaccine helps prevent the spread because it doesnt. if you are contagious and you come in contact with others the odds of transmission is the same regardless of vac status.
considering that those that are getting sick from "D" are getting more ill and more likely to require hospitalization, they may end up infecting less people since they will be down for the count and out of society more than those that are not getting as sick from the "D" and are out and about spreading the shit around? - Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.
VaccinesVaccines in the US are highly effective, including against the Delta variant
- Vaccines continue to reduce a person’s risk of contracting the virus that cause COVID-19, including this variant. The COVID-19 vaccines authorized in the United States are highly effective at preventing severe disease and death, including against the Delta variant. But they are not 100% effective and some fully vaccinated people will become infected (called a breakthrough infection) and experience illness. For such people, the vaccine still provides them strong protection against serious illness and death.
- Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.
The Vaccine is about 90% effective so even some of us who are vaccinated will have breakthrough infections as referenced above. But breakthrough infections are still not common among the vaccinated. So if you roughly use 10% failure/breakthrough, yes those 10% vaccinated are still contagious but for not as long. It is not saying that all vaccinated people are just as likely to spread Covid 19 or it's current and future variants.
to be honest with you i wish all sports no matter what said if you dont get the vaccine you dont play and you get no money....im so sick of everyone saying they either wont take it because they were told to or dont trust the goverment...damn people what do you think would be happening if polio was here and we had all these people saying im taking it.......i just dont understand the stubburness of people....the people who catch covid and were not vaccinated should not receive treatment they should suck it up since this is what you chose
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ minny65 said:
The Bills would be just fine without Hee Haw Beasley.
The Vikings would not without Weirdo Kirk who has positioned himself to be a martyr for his cause.
Then we also have Harry, Theilan and I think Cook +
Hoping a couple of those guys heed the in person meeting with a Top Infectious Disease expert yesterday.
We already know from Kirk's comment that "it is what it is" that he is sticking to his ignorant guns.
The vaccine helps you and also helps prevent the spread TO OTHERS!!! Move beyond selfishness and think of OTHERS.
The Science is clear - the vaccine works at around 90% .
But for those anti-vaxxers lets focus on the 10% it doesn't work on or a side effect that my neighbors aunt's friend posted on social media.
I would be curios to see the data on the vaccine having any effect on spreading it to others. From what I have found is that the vaccinated people carry the same viral load as unvaccinated and as such would be just as likely to transmit the virus.
Here is the latest from the CDC:
Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC
you are still as contagious, just not for as long, so if both a vaccinated and unvaccinated person went around the whole time they are contagious you are correct the vaccinated could end up exposing less people if all things were equal, but they arent so the variables involved are to great to say vaccine helps prevent the spread because it doesnt. if you are contagious and you come in contact with others the odds of transmission is the same regardless of vac status.
considering that those that are getting sick from "D" are getting more ill and more likely to require hospitalization, they may end up infecting less people since they will be down for the count and out of society more than those that are not getting as sick from the "D" and are out and about spreading the shit around? - Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.
Vaccines Vaccines in the US are highly effective, including against the Delta variant
- Vaccines continue to reduce a person’s risk of contracting the virus that cause COVID-19, including this variant. The COVID-19 vaccines authorized in the United States are highly effective at preventing severe disease and death, including against the Delta variant. But they are not 100% effective and some fully vaccinated people will become infected (called a breakthrough infection) and experience illness. For such people, the vaccine still provides them strong protection against serious illness and death.
so like i said, just as infectious, just for a shorter period of time, so the vaccine does not help prevent the spread, time does. during that 5 days or whatever they end up coming back with that vaccinated person is just as likely to spread that virus as the non vaccinated person since they are carrying the same viral load. the non vaccinated has a chance of infecting more people, but while contagious they are equally likely to spread the virus. so for the nfl to have the stance they do is stupid if its about protecting their on the field product. especially since the non vaccinated get tested daily, they would be more likely to get diagnosed sooner and wouldnt be spreading it all over the facilities. ( not to mention they have to wear masks all the time if they arent on the field so if those work that would likely tip the conversation into the favor of the unvaccinated being less of a threat to causing a massive outbreak, no? especially considering no masks, no distancing requirements, no quarantine after exposure, and no testing for that vaccinated person that has the same level of contagiousness.
I think we’re well past the point where we can “get to herd
immunity” in a meaningful way where the virus stops being something we worry
about.
The vaccines we have are leaky, the pharmaceutical companies
seem incapable of or are insufficiently motivated towards vaccinating the whole
planet, and there appears to be animal reservoirs. You combine that with how fast coronaviruses
mutate and evolve and I really doubt that we’ll be able to save the planet by
stopping Covid, because there will always be a large infected base driving new
mutations. I think it’s more appropriate
to think of this as being something that will be a rolling threat. You make a vaccine, it makes some progress
and saves some lives, then the virus mutates, and you start over make a new
vaccine, and then start the PR drive to get everyone vaccinated again.
I think we’re clearly in a place where you take the vaccine
to benefit yourself. You reduce the risk
to yourself, then you get a booster in 6 months, then a new vaccine in 12 months. The idea that vaccinated
people are doing their part, and unvaccinated people are not doing their part
doesn’t ring true to me. It really seems
like if the unvaccinated people are each killing 5 grandmas and the vaccinated
people are killing 3 grandmas, that’s a moral high ground that doesn’t feel
that satisfying to me.
As far as the NFL, I see their actions as mostly virtue signaling. This whole 2 tier system never made
sense. It only made sense if the virus
was stable like some of the viruses old-school vaccines were for. They just want to give the public the
illusion that they are doing their part, but I doubt they’ll do anything that impacts
how much money they’ll make.
Quote: @minny65 said:
- Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.
The Vaccine is about 90% effective so even some of us who are vaccinated will have breakthrough infections as referenced above. But breakthrough infections are still not common among the vaccinated. So if you roughly use 10% failure/breakthrough, yes those 10% vaccinated are still contagious but for not as long. It is not saying that all vaccinated people are just as likely to spread Covid 19 or it's current and future variants.
the vaccine does prevent the spread to others
example - total pop of 20
if you have 10 vaccinated ppl only about 1 will have a breakthrough variant or about 10%. i am reading that the breakthroufh rate is rare so 10% is high end That 1 person can spread to others both vax/unvax with a breakthrough for a shorter window. But those 9 other vaxed without breakthrough will not spread. so the vax is slowing the spread at around 90 of those who are vaxed
The 10 unvaxed are spreaders for covid 19 and all the variants. they would be even more susceprible to the more viralent variants as well.
their is no medication on earth that is 100% effective and also 100% safe
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ minny65 said:
- Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.
The Vaccine is about 90% effective so even some of us who are vaccinated will have breakthrough infections as referenced above. But breakthrough infections are still not common among the vaccinated. So if you roughly use 10% failure/breakthrough, yes those 10% vaccinated are still contagious but for not as long. It is not saying that all vaccinated people are just as likely to spread Covid 19 or it's current and future variants.
the vaccine does prevent the spread to others
example - total pop of 20
if you have 10 vaccinated ppl only about 1 will have a breakthrough variant or about 10%. i am reading that the breakthroufh rate is rare so 10% is high end That 1 person can spread to others both vax/unvax with a breakthrough for a shorter window. But those 9 other vaxed without breakthrough will not spread. so the vax is slowing the spread at around 90 of those who are vaxed
The 10 unvaxed are spreaders for covid 19 and all the variants. they would be even more susceprible to the more viralent variants as well.
their is no medication on earth that is 100% effective and also 100% safe
I've seen reports of 1 in 5, so 20%, so whats the point? A person with covid is just as likely to transmit it no matter what their vaccination status is. When the NFL isn't testing or doing anything to stop vaccinated people from going about their day like its 2019, they are equally as dangerous or more so to the health of the team as a few unvaccinated players who get tested daily, and have to mask and distance.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ minny65 said:
- Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.
The Vaccine is about 90% effective so even some of us who are vaccinated will have breakthrough infections as referenced above. But breakthrough infections are still not common among the vaccinated. So if you roughly use 10% failure/breakthrough, yes those 10% vaccinated are still contagious but for not as long. It is not saying that all vaccinated people are just as likely to spread Covid 19 or it's current and future variants.
the vaccine does prevent the spread to others
example - total pop of 20
if you have 10 vaccinated ppl only about 1 will have a breakthrough variant or about 10%. i am reading that the breakthroufh rate is rare so 10% is high end That 1 person can spread to others both vax/unvax with a breakthrough for a shorter window. But those 9 other vaxed without breakthrough will not spread. so the vax is slowing the spread at around 90 of those who are vaxed
The 10 unvaxed are spreaders for covid 19 and all the variants. they would be even more susceprible to the more viralent variants as well.
their is no medication on earth that is 100% effective and also 100% safe
Therefore it should be a personal medical decision on whether to take said medicine. If I don't have heart issues, I shouldn't be forced to take heart medication. But what about the medical cost of bypass surgery? Well I have insurance for the unlikely event that happens. But if you don't take our expensive heart med, you can't be seen for heart issues. If I am not promiscuous and not at risk for STDs, I shouldn't have to take meds or vaccines for that either.
Perhaps we need to line everyone up and find out all their health risks that may affect our medical system and start forcing some changes for the good of society. What could go wrong? Perhaps some believe certain physical traits are less healthy, say dark hair, perhaps they don't deserve public health. Dunno, has anyone ever tried this type of society before?
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the vaccine does prevent the spread to others
example - total pop of 20
if you have 10 vaccinated ppl only about 1 will have a breakthrough variant or about 10%. i am reading that the breakthroufh rate is rare so 10% is high end That 1 person can spread to others both vax/unvax with a breakthrough for a shorter window. But those 9 other vaxed without breakthrough will not spread. so the vax is slowing the spread at around 90 of those who are vaxed
The 10 unvaxed are spreaders for covid 19 and all the variants. they would be even more susceprible to the more viralent variants as well.
their is no medication on earth that is 100% effective and also 100% safe
I've seen reports of 1 in 5, so 20%, so whats the point? A person with covid is just as likely to transmit it no matter what their vaccination status is. When the NFL isn't testing or doing anything to stop vaccinated people from going about their day like its 2019, they are equally as dangerous or more so to the health of the team as a few unvaccinated players who get tested daily, and have to mask and distance.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...d-players/
Quote: @Mattyman said:
the vaccine does prevent the spread to others
example - total pop of 20
if you have 10 vaccinated ppl only about 1 will have a breakthrough variant or about 10%. i am reading that the breakthroufh rate is rare so 10% is high end That 1 person can spread to others both vax/unvax with a breakthrough for a shorter window. But those 9 other vaxed without breakthrough will not spread. so the vax is slowing the spread at around 90 of those who are vaxed
The 10 unvaxed are spreaders for covid 19 and all the variants. they would be even more susceprible to the more viralent variants as well.
their is no medication on earth that is 100% effective and also 100% safe
I've seen reports of 1 in 5, so 20%, so whats the point? A person with covid is just as likely to transmit it no matter what their vaccination status is. When the NFL isn't testing or doing anything to stop vaccinated people from going about their day like its 2019, they are equally as dangerous or more so to the health of the team as a few unvaccinated players who get tested daily, and have to mask and distance.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...d-players/
If they mandate the same protocol for all players there can be no pissing and moaning IMO, at that point its a right to work matter which I support. Actually if they said right now if you want to play get the shot I would say ok, it's the owners dime on the line. Players like Kirk At, or others are owed nothing because they are good football players.
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