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@StickyBun said:

@BigAl99 said:

@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@BigAl99 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

so now you want to raise minimum wage?

Not really,  I want the govt to quit buying votes by paying people not to work. 

Or....building a wall on the border that Mexico will pay for. Both sides buy votes one way or the other. Except one type of voter has the cash to show for it. So who's dumber?  :p

Or.. paying Iowa farmers for tariff offsets two years running, that makes 49% of AG income both years.

shhhh, Al.....nobody wants to hear that. Bitching about 'socialism' is very selective, like 'god's will'. 

No he’s right. Bullshit is bullshit. If we let farm prices regulate themselves we’d be much better off. 

The $300 shit needs to end. If you wanted a vaccine you’ve had months. Its high time people got off there ass and back to work. 

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@AGRforever said:

@StickyBun said:

@BigAl99 said:

@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@BigAl99 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

so now you want to raise minimum wage?

Not really,  I want the govt to quit buying votes by paying people not to work. 

Or....building a wall on the border that Mexico will pay for. Both sides buy votes one way or the other. Except one type of voter has the cash to show for it. So who's dumber?  :p

Or.. paying Iowa farmers for tariff offsets two years running, that makes 49% of AG income both years.

shhhh, Al.....nobody wants to hear that. Bitching about 'socialism' is very selective, like 'god's will'. 

The $300 shit needs to end. If you wanted a vaccine you’ve had months. Its high time people got off there ass and back to work. 

Totally agree. I think it stops at the end of this week. 

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@StickyBun said:

@AGRforever said:

@StickyBun said:

@BigAl99 said:

@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@BigAl99 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

so now you want to raise minimum wage?

Not really,  I want the govt to quit buying votes by paying people not to work. 

Or....building a wall on the border that Mexico will pay for. Both sides buy votes one way or the other. Except one type of voter has the cash to show for it. So who's dumber?  :p

Or.. paying Iowa farmers for tariff offsets two years running, that makes 49% of AG income both years.

shhhh, Al.....nobody wants to hear that. Bitching about 'socialism' is very selective, like 'god's will'. 

The $300 shit needs to end. If you wanted a vaccine you’ve had months. Its high time people got off there ass and back to work. 

Totally agree. I think it stops at the end of this week. 

Boom!!

We all found something to agree on! 

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@StickyBun said:

Totally agree. I think it stops at the end of this week. 

Depends on what State you live in

Expiration	State
June 12	Alaska, Iowa, Mississippi, Missouri
June 19	Alabama, Idaho, Indiana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, West Virginia, Wyoming
June 26	Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah
June 27	Montana, Oklahoma
July 3	Maryland, Tennessee
July 10	Arizona
July 31	Louisiana

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@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

As someone who's spent my entire career around manufacturing let me add my perspective. I do disagree with making all non skilled jobs living wage jobs. That needs to be said 1st.
Now about the fallacy of returning manufacturing jobs. Who's going to retool for the real return? We shuttered most large scale manufacturing. These companies have chosen off shore parts to be assembled in the US as the new manufacturing model. Then as these items age they off shore the assembly even. Machine shops foundries and the like take millions to tool and no us company is going to spend their money doing it.
Manufacturing isn't even identified the same anymore. People making arts and crafts an selling them on Etsy is now manufacturing. Simply making McDonald's a living wage job will not return us to a manufacturing power.

Edit: yes the $300 served it purpose and now needs to end. Affordable child care would increase people's willingness to work as well.

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@suncoastvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

As someone who's spent my entire career around manufacturing let me add my perspective. I do disagree with making all non skilled jobs living wage jobs. That needs to be said 1st.
Now about the fallacy of returning manufacturing jobs. Who's going to retool for the real return? We shuttered most large scale manufacturing. These companies have chosen off shore parts to be assembled in the US as the new manufacturing model. Then as these ite

Yes, 'assembled in the USA' is all the rage. But with new increased transportation costs, material costs and other off-shore cost pressures, companies are starting to look back into the USA to have their items manufactured. In some cases, its less costly. 

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@StickyBun said:

@suncoastvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

As someone who's spent my entire career around manufacturing let me add my perspective. I do disagree with making all non skilled jobs living wage jobs. That needs to be said 1st.
Now about the fallacy of returning manufacturing jobs. Who's going to retool for the real return? We shuttered most large scale manufacturing. These companies have chosen off shore parts to be assembled in the US as the new manufacturing model. Then as these ite

Yes, 'assembled in the USA' is all the rage. But with new increased transportation costs, material costs and other off-shore cost pressures, companies are starting to look back into the USA to have their items manufactured. In some cases, its less costly. 

want to really make it more competitive to manufacture here and save the planet at the same time?  make China and all these other countries, that are the real polluters, follow the exact same pollution standards that American companies are forced to adhere to.  maybe even enforce the same labor standards ( working conditions,  not wage scales) American companies have to follow, and apply tariffs on the goods that are made in places that dont meet those standards.  I think we would choke on the new costs of goods,  but it would level that playing field some.

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@StickyBun said:

@suncoastvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

As someone who's spent my entire career around manufacturing let me add my perspective. I do disagree with making all non skilled jobs living wage jobs. That needs to be said 1st.
Now about the fallacy of returning manufacturing jobs. Who's going to retool for the real return? We shuttered most large scale manufacturing. These companies have chosen off shore parts to be assembled in the US as the new manufacturing model. Then as these ite

Yes, 'assembled in the USA' is all the rage. But with new increased transportation costs, material costs and other off-shore cost pressures, companies are starting to look back into the USA to have their items manufactured. In some cases, its less costly. 

Until the US companies increase their prices and lead time. There is still not enough raw manufacturing facilities in the US to accommodate. There was a push to move parts out of China due to tariffs. Many companies chose India, Malaysia, Taiwan and Thailand. Lead times are costly I agree. However the base just ain't here to cover all the product they claim they are moving back.
I work for a Mega Corp and I'm closely inline with sourcing materials. Many US companies are simply not taking any new orders. Maybe more workers would change their minds. However I doubt the make millions in retooling investments based on a trend.

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@suncoastvike said:

@StickyBun said:

@suncoastvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

As someone who's spent my entire career around manufacturing let me add my perspective. I do disagree with making all non skilled jobs living wage jobs. That needs to be said 1st.
Now about the fallacy of returning manufacturing jobs. Who's going to retool for the real return? We shuttered most large scale manufacturing. These companies have chosen off shore parts to be assembled in the US as the new manufacturing model. Then as these ite

Yes, 'assembled in the USA' is all the rage. But with new increased transportation costs, material costs and other off-shore cost pressures, companies are starting to look back into the USA to have their items manufactured. In some cases, its less costly. 

Until the US companies increase their prices and lead time. There is still not enough raw manufacturing facilities in the US to accommodate. There was a push to move parts out of China due to tariffs. Many companies chose India, Malaysia, Taiwan and Thailand. Lead times are costly I agree. However the base just ain't here to cover all the product they claim they are moving back.
I work for a Mega Corp and I'm closely inline with sourcing materials. Many US companies are simply not taking any new orders. Maybe more workers would change their minds. However I doubt the make millions in retooling investments based on a trend.

it wont happen in mass,  and I doubt we would ever get back to even a fraction of what we were,  but even a small shift would be a good start.  IMO right now coming out of covid is a bad time to gauge how possible it could be with all the shortages hitting all industries,  but this is a bump and will settle out (hopefully sooner than later)  and then companies will be looking for new ways to drive revenue.  gonna be a catch 22 though IMO,  its gonna take a rate increase to slow the buying down so companies will be looking for more opportunities,  but that would hinder them in putting money into new tooling and such.

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@suncoastvike said:

@StickyBun said:

@suncoastvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Looking ahead...

i am hoping tech like Mrna can get us future vaccines even quicker than Covid-19 (which is still miraculous imo)

Hoping our country learned not to off-shore critical infrastructure like PPE (but see whats happening with semi-conductor chips right now, so I have my doubts)

Hard to bring mfg home when you can't get anybody to take a damn job of any kind.

As someone who's spent my entire career around manufacturing let me add my perspective. I do disagree with making all non skilled jobs living wage jobs. That needs to be said 1st.
Now about the fallacy of returning manufacturing jobs. Who's going to retool for the real return? We shuttered most large scale manufacturing. These companies have chosen off shore parts to be assembled in the US as the new manufacturing model. Then as these ite

Yes, 'assembled in the USA' is all the rage. But with new increased transportation costs, material costs and other off-shore cost pressures, companies are starting to look back into the USA to have their items manufactured. In some cases, its less costly. 

Until the US companies increase their prices and lead time. There is still not enough raw manufacturing facilities in the US to accommodate. There was a push to move parts out of China due to tariffs. Many companies chose India, Malaysia, Taiwan and Thailand. Lead times are costly I agree. However the base just ain't here to cover all the product they claim they are moving back.
I work for a Mega Corp and I'm closely inline with sourcing materials. Many US companies are simply not taking any new orders. Maybe more workers would change their minds. However I doubt the make millions in retooling investments based on a trend.

China charges many companies for the tooling and/or retooling that is new or unique. Then they (the U.S. company) gets paid back a small percentage each time another company uses that tooling if allowed. U.S. based companies should do the same thing, mitigates the investment substantially and the risk.