Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Wetlander said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
Don't sleep on Madubuike, he has been sold short by a lot of people. With good coaching he may end up being the best pure 3T in this class.
I like him much better than Gallimore, who seems to be getting more media press because of the fast 40-time he ran at the combine. Madubuike looks strong and is quick changing direction for a big man. Gallimore is the opposite... he can show some impressive burst upfield if he wins right away, but he looks like a limited straight-line rusher. If the QB side steps or breaks the pocket, he's done... just my two cents after having watched a number of these guys in that next tier or two at this position.
Gallimore's tape at Oklahoma isn't a very good basis for the type of player he could be in the NFL. They gap swap presnap at a crazy rate which limited his impacts at times. He's more agile on film than his 40 time suggests. But there are these odd instances where he literally doesn't know how to use his hands or opts for power in a fineness situation. So his rush awareness and hand usage is extremely concerning. I would have Madubuike above Gallimore by a healthy margin.
This could be what I'm seeing... his splash plays look really good, but there are too many instances where he uses power to get upfield in a hurry, but then the QB or RB can easily get around him and he takes himself completely out of the play.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Wetlander said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
Don't sleep on Madubuike, he has been sold short by a lot of people. With good coaching he may end up being the best pure 3T in this class.
I like him much better than Gallimore, who seems to be getting more media press because of the fast 40-time he ran at the combine. Madubuike looks strong and is quick changing direction for a big man. Gallimore is the opposite... he can show some impressive burst upfield if he wins right away, but he looks like a limited straight-line rusher. If the QB side steps or breaks the pocket, he's done... just my two cents after having watched a number of these guys in that next tier or two at this position.
Gallimore's tape at Oklahoma isn't a very good basis for the type of player he could be in the NFL. They gap swap presnap at a crazy rate which limited his impacts at times. He's more agile on film than his 40 time suggests. But there are these odd instances where he literally doesn't know how to use his hands or opts for power in a fineness situation. So his rush awareness and hand usage is extremely concerning. I would have Madubuike above Gallimore by a healthy margin.
This could be what I'm seeing... his splash plays look really good, but there are too many instances where he uses power to get upfield in a hurry, but then the QB or RB can easily get around him and he takes himself completely out of the play.
Sounds like its a combination of the poor alignment (not his fault) and more of a general lack of upfield awareness. I'm not impressed with Gallimore at all.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Wait. I was on Madubuike early, then Maroon clued me in to Blacklock. Then BN had me looking at Gallimore and Davidson. And PFF is bonkers for Elliott. Daily Norseman keeps running mocks where simulators consistently have Kinlaw falling to 22. This DT Class has my head spinning!
In my opinion: Brown >> Kinlaw >> (Talent Gap) >> Blacklock >> Madubuike (high upside) >> (Talent Gap) >> Davidon >> Gallimore >> Elliott (pass rushing specialist)
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Wetlander said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
Don't sleep on Madubuike, he has been sold short by a lot of people. With good coaching he may end up being the best pure 3T in this class.
I like him much better than Gallimore, who seems to be getting more media press because of the fast 40-time he ran at the combine. Madubuike looks strong and is quick changing direction for a big man. Gallimore is the opposite... he can show some impressive burst upfield if he wins right away, but he looks like a limited straight-line rusher. If the QB side steps or breaks the pocket, he's done... just my two cents after having watched a number of these guys in that next tier or two at this position.
Gallimore's tape at Oklahoma isn't a very good basis for the type of player he could be in the NFL. They gap swap presnap at a crazy rate which limited his impacts at times. He's more agile on film than his 40 time suggests. But there are these odd instances where he literally doesn't know how to use his hands or opts for power in a fineness situation. So his rush awareness and hand usage is extremely concerning. I would have Madubuike above Gallimore by a healthy margin.
This could be what I'm seeing... his splash plays look really good, but there are too many instances where he uses power to get upfield in a hurry, but then the QB or RB can easily get around him and he takes himself completely out of the play.
He needs NFL coaching and discipline, but I think his upside in two or three years is higher than Blacklock or Madubuike. I think that could appeal to both Zimmer and Patterson. If they don't want to mess with that and want a player who already has the kind of gap control and discipline (which is what they like about Shamar Stephen, btw), then they might like Blacklock and Madubuike more. But the best DT in that regard is probably Jordan Elliott.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
He needs NFL coaching and discipline, but I think his upside in two or three years is higher than Blacklock or Madubuike. I think that could appeal to both Zimmer and Patterson. If they don't want to mess with that and want a player who already has the kind of gap control and discipline (which is what they like about Shamar Stephen, btw), then they might like Blacklock and Madubuike more. But the best DT in that regard is probably Jordan Elliott.
I'm not sure that I agree with his upside being higher than Madubuike. They both ran basically a 4.8 (Gallimore was a couple hundredths faster), but Madubuike blew him away in the 3-cone drill. That quickness shows up on tape too... and when you add in the fact that Madubuike has longer arms, I think the physical traits project more upside than Gallimore.
That said, what matters most is what the guy is made of inside... and Gallimore reportedly is a blue collar guy with a strong work ethic. If the Vikings address CB, WR, and OL with their early picks, he could be a good pick in the 3rd round. Patterson worked wonders with a raw, athletic prospect that loved to work in Danielle Hunter. He went later in the 3rd round as well. Maybe he can do the same with Gallimore? Bottom line, I wouldn't pay a premium pick to find out. If he's there late Day 2, sure... go for it.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
He needs NFL coaching and discipline, but I think his upside in two or three years is higher than Blacklock or Madubuike. I think that could appeal to both Zimmer and Patterson. If they don't want to mess with that and want a player who already has the kind of gap control and discipline (which is what they like about Shamar Stephen, btw), then they might like Blacklock and Madubuike more. But the best DT in that regard is probably Jordan Elliott.
I'm not sure that I agree with his upside being higher than Madubuike. They both ran basically a 4.8 (Gallimore was a couple hundredths faster), but Madubuike blew him away in the 3-cone drill. That quickness shows up on tape too... and when you add in the fact that Madubuike has longer arms, I think the physical traits project more upside than Gallimore.
That said, what matters most is what the guy is made of inside... and Gallimore reportedly is a blue collar guy with a strong work ethic. If the Vikings address CB, WR, and OL with their early picks, he could be a good pick in the 3rd round. Patterson worked wonders with a raw, athletic prospect that loved to work in Danielle Hunter. He went later in the 3rd round as well. Maybe he can do the same with Gallimore? Bottom line, I wouldn't pay a premium pick to find out. If he's there late Day 2, sure... go for it.
Not just work ethic, but motor. He's relentless. Always. IMO, Gallimore's motor is best in class. Ahead of even Kinlaw. Way ahead of Brown.
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