Quote: @MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Yeah, I can cherry pick stats too. KC is 5-26 when playing teams with a winning record, and in 81 career games he has thrown
67 interceptions and fumbled 50 times.
I wonder if the Bears D knows this?
I really would love to see KC play well and be the stud leader at QB this team was hoping for; I really would. But...
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Yeah, I can cherry pick stats too. KC is 5-26 when playing teams with a winning record, and in 81 career games he has thrown
67 interceptions and fumbled 50 times.
I wonder if the Bears D knows this?
I really would love to see KC play well and be the stud leader at QB this team was hoping for; I really would. But...
again though, stats in a bubble are useless, we have all seen KC choke and not take care of the ball, but we have also seen him get worked over a shit ton as well and those fumbles are not necessarily on the QB as much as the OL. Of those picks, how many were KC making a dumb ass throw like the endzone pick in gbay, and how many were on the receivers for wrong routes or popping the ball into the air, or the OL for allowing the defenders to get their arms up and tipping a pass? Its never as black and white as the numbers try an make it seem. 5-26 is an ugly number, but like Maroon points out, its not likely that he was the cause of all those losses, and in fact they may have been losses in spite of a good game by the QB.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Yeah, I can cherry pick stats too. KC is 5-26 when playing teams with a winning record, and in 81 career games he has thrown
67 interceptions and fumbled 50 times.
I wonder if the Bears D knows this?
I really would love to see KC play well and be the stud leader at QB this team was hoping for; I really would. But...
again though, stats in a bubble are useless, we have all seen KC choke and not take care of the ball, but we have also seen him get worked over a shit ton as well and those fumbles are not necessarily on the QB as much as the OL. Of those picks, how many were KC making a dumb ass throw like the endzone pick in gbay, and how many were on the receivers for wrong routes or popping the ball into the air, or the OL for allowing the defenders to get their arms up and tipping a pass? Its never as black and white as the numbers try an make it seem. 5-26 is an ugly number, but like Maroon points out, its not likely that he was the cause of all those losses, and in fact they may have been losses in spite of a good game by the QB.
I agree, and I was also "cherry picking" negative stats just to make a point. KC isn't the worst QB in Vikings history by a long shot. But, he's definitely the highest paid QB we've ever had, so I think expectations of him were at a fairly high level. I do think he's about as good (or bad) as he was with Washington. I don't think that's what most Viking fans were hoping for when he became our starting QB.
But I think we expected the Vikes to give him the protection most star QB's enjoy. Not the past several years of journeymen saloon-doors.
As far as KC's contract is concerned, he got the money any QB with his stats would have got...here or elsewhere. And in less than two years will be making middle-of-the-road money.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Yeah, I can cherry pick stats too. KC is 5-26 when playing teams with a winning record, and in 81 career games he has thrown
67 interceptions and fumbled 50 times.
I wonder if the Bears D knows this?
I really would love to see KC play well and be the stud leader at QB this team was hoping for; I really would. But...
again though, stats in a bubble are useless, we have all seen KC choke and not take care of the ball, but we have also seen him get worked over a shit ton as well and those fumbles are not necessarily on the QB as much as the OL. Of those picks, how many were KC making a dumb ass throw like the endzone pick in gbay, and how many were on the receivers for wrong routes or popping the ball into the air, or the OL for allowing the defenders to get their arms up and tipping a pass? Its never as black and white as the numbers try an make it seem. 5-26 is an ugly number, but like Maroon points out, its not likely that he was the cause of all those losses, and in fact they may have been losses in spite of a good game by the QB.
I agree, and I was also "cherry picking" negative stats just to make a point. KC isn't the worst QB in Vikings history by a long shot. But, he's definitely the highest paid QB we've ever had, so I think expectations of him were at a fairly high level. I do think he's about as good (or bad) as he was with Washington. I don't think that's what most Viking fans were hoping for when he became our starting QB.
i think Favre in 09/10 was the highest when adjusted for inflation. as far as how good he is or can be... I dont think we have seen his ceiling yet, but I dont know that we will either. he seems like one of those guys that could be an above average QB for his whole career and walk away with a ring, but still never make the HOF or even a high round fantasy guy.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Yeah, I can cherry pick stats too. KC is 5-26 when playing teams with a winning record, and in 81 career games he has thrown
67 interceptions and fumbled 50 times.
I wonder if the Bears D knows this?
I really would love to see KC play well and be the stud leader at QB this team was hoping for; I really would. But...
I think the whole "teams with a winning record" is a little misleading. Would you call Aaron Rodgers a bad QB? Since 2012, he's 6-23 against teams with a winning record. What's more, when trailing a team with a winning record by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter, he's 0-37 for his career. See, you can pull out any stat you want to support whatever narrative you want to write. Yeah, we all know Cousins has performed poorly in some big games. But he's performed exceptionally well in some of those games in the loss column. For example, one of his losses to "a team with a winning record" last year was the Rams. He thew for 422 yards, 3 TDs and 0 picks. Was it really on him? Or was that the game where our defense was exposed? See what I mean?
God, I'm geeked today. Feeling optimistic and feisty for the Vikes to kick some ass at Soldier Field. Don't know if they will, but I'm in that kind of mindframe.
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See what a Packer loss does? Its good for the soul.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Yeah, I can cherry pick stats too. KC is 5-26 when playing teams with a winning record, and in 81 career games he has thrown
67 interceptions and fumbled 50 times.
I wonder if the Bears D knows this?
I really would love to see KC play well and be the stud leader at QB this team was hoping for; I really would. But...
I think the whole "teams with a winning record" is a little misleading. Would you call Aaron Rodgers a bad QB? Since 2012, he's 6-23 against teams with a winning record. What's more, when trailing a team with a winning record by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter, he's 0-37 for his career. See, you can pull out any stat you want to support whatever narrative you want to write. Yeah, we all know Cousins has performed poorly in some big games. But he's performed exceptionally well in some of those games in the loss column. For example, one of his losses to "a team with a winning record" last year was the Rams. He thew for 422 yards, 3 TDs and 0 picks. Was it really on him? Or was that the game where our defense was exposed? See what I mean?
I understand, MB. Those passing yards stats you posted are misleading too. Many of those yards are "padded" when they come late in games facing prevent defenses.
Maybe I'm too hard on KC, but I guess I expect the highest paid player on the team should also be the best playmaker. I'm not seeing that by a longshot. The best games this season is when KC doesn't have to throw the ball much and plays as the game manager.
It's just my opinion, and hopefully KC can start winning me over as a fan starting this week. I really want him to do well.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
First of all, I always laugh when people bring up past records. Seriously, what do teams with Daunte Culpepper, Wasswa Serwanga, Cade McNown and Brian Urlacher have to do with determining who should win this current matchup? Nothing. You want to bring up last year's games, fine. That's really the only thing that's relevant here.
Second, I know Cousins has not played particularly well against good team (at least that's the prevailing narrative), but just how overhyped is this little factoid? I know he did't play well against the Bears in either game. That's relevant. And he played like crap against the Patriots. That's relevant too. But here's how he did against the other "good" teams on our schedule last year. Is it really that bad?
Kirk Cousins at Packers: 35 of 48, 425 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins at Rams: 36 of 50, 422 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Eagles: 30 of 37, 301 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Saints: 31 of 41, 359 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kirk Cousins vs Packers: 29 of 38, 342 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Kirk Cousins at Seahawks: 20 of 33, 208 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Its stat cherry picking, there are always stats available to support any point a person wants to make. I think in a team game team win loss records are pretty hard to hang on an individual without looking at that individuals performance and your post certainly paints a much prettier picture...I'm with you on this one
I personally think this game is more about our OL vs the Bears front 7 than it will be on KC to win or lose the game.
Yeah, I can cherry pick stats too. KC is 5-26 when playing teams with a winning record, and in 81 career games he has thrown
67 interceptions and fumbled 50 times.
I wonder if the Bears D knows this?
I really would love to see KC play well and be the stud leader at QB this team was hoping for; I really would. But...
I think the whole "teams with a winning record" is a little misleading. Would you call Aaron Rodgers a bad QB? Since 2012, he's 6-23 against teams with a winning record. What's more, when trailing a team with a winning record by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter, he's 0-37 for his career. See, you can pull out any stat you want to support whatever narrative you want to write. Yeah, we all know Cousins has performed poorly in some big games. But he's performed exceptionally well in some of those games in the loss column. For example, one of his losses to "a team with a winning record" last year was the Rams. He thew for 422 yards, 3 TDs and 0 picks. Was it really on him? Or was that the game where our defense was exposed? See what I mean?
I understand, MB. Those passing yards stats you posted are misleading too. Many of those yards are "padded" when they come late in games facing prevent defenses.
Maybe I'm too hard on KC, but I guess I expect the highest paid player on the team should also be the best playmaker. I'm not seeing that by a longshot. The best games this season is when KC doesn't have to throw the ball much and plays as the game manager.
It's just my opinion, and hopefully KC can start winning me over as a fan starting this week. I really want him to do well.
Nope. He ain't gonna win you over this week. But you're going to see a lot more of good Kirk than bad Kirk in weeks 5 thru 17.
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