$12.45 MILL OVER 3 YEARS, $6 MILL GUARANTEED. $4 M SIGNING BONUS.
Basically a 1 year deal with $2.66M in dead money if they cut him before 2020.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
$12.45 MILL OVER 3 YEARS, $6 MILL GUARANTEED. $4 M SIGNING BONUS.
Basically a 1 year deal with $2.66M in dead money if they cut him before 2020.
Basically why I was trying to get people to back off the ledge. His 2019 cap hit is 2.33M and you can move on after this season. More likely its a two year deal for a guy who has had success here in the past.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Stephen is mediocre at best. Why would they bring him back on such a long deal?
Crazy stupid.
Just sign him to a one year deal.
And why not wait? There are plenty of defensive tackles similar to Stephen that probably will get signed for less in a week or two on one year deals.
Like a Rodney Gunter.
Does this mean they are going to skip over this great DT class this year because now they have the great Stephen back?
Its probably more like a one year deal with two option years whether they're official options or not. There won't be so much money guaranteed they couldn't move on next off-season. If they end up losing Sheldon I'm sure they will end up find another pass rusher in the draft.
I have to see the terms but this is not very impressive to go back to what you did not want to pay to keep last year.
With limited cap space I was hoping it would be used on the offensive line.
And not for over aged on the decline players.
I would have patience when it comes to the O-line. They aren't going to be throwing around $10M+ for slightly above average players. They'll make more cap room, I'm sure of that. But this is simply a depth move and an improvement to the run defense that significantly regressed.
OK. But what does that say about Jaleel and Jayln?
I think it probably still leaves Jaleel a role. Jayln is more of a wildcard its still possible they could move him over to DE as well.
This strikes me the opposite: Jaleel Johnson is on the spot. Stephen and Jaleel are both playing NT, so shouldn't Jaleel be developing into adequate depth behind Linvalle Joseph?
Also, you can excuse Jalyn Holmes' low visibility in 2018 because he was a rookie being switched from college DE to 3T. But Johnson already had a year and full offseason with the Vikings. He did get a fair amount of snaps, but not much production. If they liked what they saw from Jaleel, I don't think Shamar Stephen would be back.
Dunno, I like it. Knows the system, a solid contributor and can fill both DT spots.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Stephen is mediocre at best. Why would they bring him back on such a long deal?
Crazy stupid.
Just sign him to a one year deal.
And why not wait? There are plenty of defensive tackles similar to Stephen that probably will get signed for less in a week or two on one year deals.
Like a Rodney Gunter.
Does this mean they are going to skip over this great DT class this year because now they have the great Stephen back?
Its probably more like a one year deal with two option years whether they're official options or not. There won't be so much money guaranteed they couldn't move on next off-season. If they end up losing Sheldon I'm sure they will end up find another pass rusher in the draft.
I have to see the terms but this is not very impressive to go back to what you did not want to pay to keep last year.
With limited cap space I was hoping it would be used on the offensive line.
And not for over aged on the decline players.
I would have patience when it comes to the O-line. They aren't going to be throwing around $10M+ for slightly above average players. They'll make more cap room, I'm sure of that. But this is simply a depth move and an improvement to the run defense that significantly regressed.
OK. But what does that say about Jaleel and Jayln?
I think it probably still leaves Jaleel a role. Jayln is more of a wildcard its still possible they could move him over to DE as well.
This strikes me the opposite: Jaleel Johnson is on the spot. Stephen and Jaleel are both playing NT, so shouldn't Jaleel be developing into adequate depth behind Linvalle Joseph?
Also, you can excuse Jalyn Holmes' low visibility in 2018 because he was a rookie being switched from college DE to 3T. But Johnson already had a year and full offseason with the Vikings. He did get a fair amount of snaps, but not much production. If they liked what they saw from Jaleel, I don't think Shamar Stephen would be back.
I don't think they saw enough from Jaleel Johnson to hand him a full time role. He did play well the last 1/3 of last year though so it doesn't mean he couldn't earn one. The issue last year was the Vikings were pushed around whenever Linval was out of the game. Shamar can slide over now and also gives you another look at 3-tech. Its awfully hard to run against both him and Linval up the middle.
I thought JJ was more suited to 3 Technique. IMO Stephen is depth at NT and allows JJ to slide back into the UT position where he's more disruptive and a better fit IMO.
The NFL is a copycat league and I feel this is just the Vikings continuing to follow the way the eagles rotate thier DL. I think Zimmer admitted as much last year when the Vikings started doing it. You can have pro bowlers across the entire line, but it does no good if they are gassed by week 15.
Quote: @njvike said:
Whoo-hoo! Super Bowl here we come!
Ricky is truly a master. His well documented history of playoff success (Chicago, Miami, Minnesota) makes this an immediate slam dunk!
Kudos!!
You suck.
Vikings Brining Back Shamar Stephen on a 3 Year DealThat’s gonna take a lot of brine! When’s the big BBQ?  B)
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Jor-El said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Stephen is mediocre at best. Why would they bring him back on such a long deal?
Crazy stupid.
Just sign him to a one year deal.
And why not wait? There are plenty of defensive tackles similar to Stephen that probably will get signed for less in a week or two on one year deals.
Like a Rodney Gunter.
Does this mean they are going to skip over this great DT class this year because now they have the great Stephen back?
Its probably more like a one year deal with two option years whether they're official options or not. There won't be so much money guaranteed they couldn't move on next off-season. If they end up losing Sheldon I'm sure they will end up find another pass rusher in the draft.
I have to see the terms but this is not very impressive to go back to what you did not want to pay to keep last year.
With limited cap space I was hoping it would be used on the offensive line.
And not for over aged on the decline players.
I would have patience when it comes to the O-line. They aren't going to be throwing around $10M+ for slightly above average players. They'll make more cap room, I'm sure of that. But this is simply a depth move and an improvement to the run defense that significantly regressed.
OK. But what does that say about Jaleel and Jayln?
I think it probably still leaves Jaleel a role. Jayln is more of a wildcard its still possible they could move him over to DE as well.
This strikes me the opposite: Jaleel Johnson is on the spot. Stephen and Jaleel are both playing NT, so shouldn't Jaleel be developing into adequate depth behind Linvalle Joseph?
Also, you can excuse Jalyn Holmes' low visibility in 2018 because he was a rookie being switched from college DE to 3T. But Johnson already had a year and full offseason with the Vikings. He did get a fair amount of snaps, but not much production. If they liked what they saw from Jaleel, I don't think Shamar Stephen would be back.
I don't think they saw enough from Jaleel Johnson to hand him a full time role. He did play well the last 1/3 of last year though so it doesn't mean he couldn't earn one. The issue last year was the Vikings were pushed around whenever Linval was out of the game. Shamar can slide over now and also gives you another look at 3-tech. Its awfully hard to run against both him and Linval up the middle.
They were also pushed around when Linval WAS IN the game!
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