Quote: @PapaScott said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
You just can't get this type of insight any old place...
The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.
That is what it boils down to.
Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season.
Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen.
What will it take for you to think otherwise? seriously. If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum. And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.
Because I believe that Teddy is capable of winning a Super Bowl against an elite defense. I don't believe Case Keenum is. I can't say it any simpler than that.
Quote: @PapaScott said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
You just can't get this type of insight any old place...
The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.
That is what it boils down to.
Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season.
Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen.
What will it take for you to think otherwise? seriously. If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum. And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.
Scott, do you really see Case as "leading this team"? I know I don't. I see the defense leading the team, and an OLine giving Case enough of a running game to make his play action passing effective.
I like the way Case has stepped in, and he has done his job as a backup QB well. I just think (and hope) Teddy can bring the offense to another level. We have a top tier defense, and having an offense at a high level of play would make this team scary good.
Quote: @PapaScott said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
You just can't get this type of insight any old place...
The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.
That is what it boils down to.
Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season.
Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen.
What will it take for you to think otherwise? seriously. If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum. And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs. Why doesn't it remind you of the 2012 49ers? 6-2-1 at the bye with Alex Smith, replaced by Kaep and went to the Super Bowl.
Some people view the Bridgewater as half empty, some view it half full.
Quote: @PapaScott said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
You just can't get this type of insight any old place...
The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.
That is what it boils down to.
Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season.
Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen.
What will it take for you to think otherwise? seriously. If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum. And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.
the Vikings are 6-2, of the 5 wins that Case was part of I would say he really only should be credited for 2 of them ( bucs and bears)... the other 3 he just didnt cause the team to lose. his performance against the ravens, packers, and browns was less than inspiring, he played fair against the bears and was pretty damn good early against the bucs, but there was also the DC factor in that game to consider. I think its a stretch to say that if this team makes the playoffs with Keenum playing the way he has been that it will be because of Keenums play at QB.
People like to wax poetic about the dilfer led ravens, or a few other marginal QBs with rings, i say we dont have that level of defense, but also how many stories are we forgetting about teams that had great lineups, but only got marginal QB play and consequently never met their potential in the playoffs?
If Keenum is Zims choice I will cheer for him and cheer loudly, they watch them in practice and know what really is going on, but from the outside looking in I hope we can get more from the position going forward than what we've seen since the bucs game.
Well Jimmy apparently you feel I'm stretching alot lately. I"m not saying Keenum is this spectacular QB and he is the sole reason the team is winning. The premise was made that if the Vikings head into the playoffs with Keenum. If that's the case than it can be assumed that Teddy has not played. It would be great to see what Teddy can bring to the table. Like I mentioned above it reminds me of the Bears situation with orton and grossman. There was really no reason to replace Orton and he was replaced because Grossman had the greater potential. And I have stated before it's more than one player that is the reason for their success. So if the Vikings are heading into the playoffs with Keenum then what reason would there be for Teddy not having played? if had not played and they are in the playoffs than why would you replace keenum?
Case is going to stare down Thielen this Sunday and get picked by Norman.
When it happens the second time everyone here will start calling for his head.
Recent opponents' DBs have been butterfingered as well as beat up. Washington's will be neither.
Keenum is winning in part because he isn't turning the ball over and putting the Defense in bad spots.
But part of that has been luck, which won't last forever.
Quote: @PapaScott said:
Well Jimmy apparently you feel I'm stretching alot lately. I"m not saying Keenum is this spectacular QB and he is the sole reason the team is winning. The premise was made that if the Vikings head into the playoffs with Keenum. If that's the case than it can be assumed that Teddy has not played. It would be great to see what Teddy can bring to the table. Like I mentioned above it reminds me of the Bears situation with orton and grossman. There was really no reason to replace Orton and he was replaced because Grossman had the greater potential. And I have stated before it's more than one player that is the reason for their success. So if the Vikings are heading into the playoffs with Keenum then what reason would there be for Teddy not having played? if had not played and they are in the playoffs than why would you replace keenum?
no.... pretty much everybody that says to play Teddy as soon as he is ready is willing to concede many points favoring keenum, one of which is that Keenum could likely still get this team into the playoffs. With that said... is that the goal of this Vikings team, to make the playoffs? I personally had much higher hopes for this group of assembled talent and still do. I think this team, with better QB play, is a Superbowl contender. So yes the team can make the playoffs with Case IMO, but I dont see him being able to win 3 or 4 straight games against top tier talent.
so if I dont see him taking us to the Superbowl, then what is the upside to sticking with Case? I dont see him as a viable starter after this year, I love his poise and scrambling ability, but as a passer he doesnt impress. So if he is set to be a FA, and I dont see him as a future starting QB that I am going to offer a franchise type contract to... and we have Teddy waiting in the wings that I believe will be a future starter and could be looking at a franchise QB type of contract.... what is the upside to sticking with Case? We need to see Teddy, we need to know what is there. The upside with Teddy is higher than the upside with Case IMO for both this year and beyond.
If Teddy cant at least come in and get us into the playoffs ( basically what I would expect out of Case) then IMO he isnt worthy of a big money long term deal, but at least we would know that and could enter the offseason accordingly.
Quote: @PapaScott said:
Well Jimmy apparently you feel I'm stretching alot lately. I"m not saying Keenum is this spectacular QB and he is the sole reason the team is winning. The premise was made that if the Vikings head into the playoffs with Keenum. If that's the case than it can be assumed that Teddy has not played. It would be great to see what Teddy can bring to the table. Like I mentioned above it reminds me of the Bears situation with orton and grossman. There was really no reason to replace Orton and he was replaced because Grossman had the greater potential. And I have stated before it's more than one player that is the reason for their success. So if the Vikings are heading into the playoffs with Keenum then what reason would there be for Teddy not having played? if had not played and they are in the playoffs than why would you replace keenum?
There's no right or wrong answer here. It's just a matter of opinion. I think MOST of us believe that a fully functional Teddy Bridgewater is the better QB based on what we've seen from both QBs (arm, accuracy, consistency, movement in the pocket, vision, etc) and the circumstances associated with each. But is it possible that Case continues to win and that the event that prompts his removal never happens? You bet it is. And it will be difficult for the coaching staff to justify replacing him.
Reminds me of '98. Randall Cunningham went nuts in '98 and so the team traded Brad Johnson after the season. I was on the old SportsnYou messageboard back then screaming that the Vikings were trading the wrong damn QB! I didn't trust Cunningham. NOBODY agreed with me. I'm not always right, but I was then. Johnson went on to win a Super Bowl and Cunningham fell off a cliff.
Keenum has been exactly what we expected him to be. He's not losing games and keeps us in position to win them. But against Baltimore, he couldn't score. We had three field goals by the 3rd quarter. In London, it was late in the 3rd quarter before most of us felt like the NFL's worst team wasn't going to beat us.
I think in this offense, with these weapons and the kind of protection the offensive line has been giving its QB, Teddy Bridgewater could be a franchise QB. He could also never be the same QB post-injury (ala Culpepper). Which one happens none of us can know. To me it boils down to what Arif said: " The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons. But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team. Great teams win Super Bowls."
Teddy has taken limited reps in like a total of 7 practices to date, not a lot of time on task, Imo.
Quote: @Kentis said:
Teddy has taken limited reps in like a total of 7 practices to date, not a lot of time on task, Imo.
but its not like he is walking in cold off the streets. he knows the offense, he has played with these receivers, and he has likely thrown more balls during his rehab than any other QB in the league has thrown this year. I cant say he is ready for live fire, but as far as needing a ton of practice time to be ready... I wouldnt bet on it.
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