Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Games like yesterday really REALLY make you appreciate what we have in Cousins.
Anyone notice yesterday that the pass blocking and play calling seemed to get better when Mullens took over? It didn't. It just seemed that way, because Mullens ran the offense the way it was supposed to be run. He wasn't perfect, but he was a nice midpoint between the MVP-like play from Cousins and the WTF-like play from Dobbs.
Mullens should be better with a week of prep. Mullens vs. Browning next Saturday in Cincy. And yes, the play calling always looks better when you don't have complete incompetence (Dobbs) at QB.
I think it is a mistake not to start Hall going forward. I don't care about the playoffs at this point as any game in the playoffs will be a serious beat down -- for me, it is all about player development at this point.
Understandable. But I think you're smart enough to know why a team in playoff contention can't and won't ever think that way.
Yes, that is the problem with a "competitive rebuild" -- the Vikes get to lose in the first round of the playoffs every year. I am at the point in my life where I want to see a SB victory and this was a perfect year to tank and improve draft position. Injured QB, injured superstar WR, etc. Getting to the playoffs with no hope of winning the SB is no longer my idea of a successful season unless it is building towards a SB run. This year is not. To me, competitive rebuild really is competitive mediocrity.
I'm assuming you mean sticking with the competitive rebuild after Cousins went down was the bad idea, and not that it was a bad idea from the outset. Because I think everyone would agree that if we'd stayed relatively healthy and not lost Cousins, JJ and half our line, the competitive rebuild would look pretty spectacular right now.
I think next year would be the year to find out how the "competitive rebuild" was actually panning out because we have several major decisions to make. We'd be 3 years in, have cleared some cap, so let's see what the Golden Boy has amd how he wants to build this moving forward. Next year will be the year to gauge
So we ALL know now where we stand at QB?? When you have 3 you have none…!? 
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
4 games left in the season, you're currently the 6th seed, and the question is who do you play at QB.
Answer: the guy who best helps you make the postseason.
If your goal is to play one playoff game most years, then you are rooting for the right team.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
4 games left in the season, you're currently the 6th seed, and the question is who do you play at QB.
Answer: the guy who best helps you make the postseason.
If your goal is to play one playoff game most years, then you are rooting for the right team.
If your goal is to tank while your team is solidly in the playoff hunt with players backing to go for it, then you're not concerned with building a winning culture.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Games like yesterday really REALLY make you appreciate what we have in Cousins.
Anyone notice yesterday that the pass blocking and play calling seemed to get better when Mullens took over? It didn't. It just seemed that way, because Mullens ran the offense the way it was supposed to be run. He wasn't perfect, but he was a nice midpoint between the MVP-like play from Cousins and the WTF-like play from Dobbs.
Mullens should be better with a week of prep. Mullens vs. Browning next Saturday in Cincy. And yes, the play calling always looks better when you don't have complete incompetence (Dobbs) at QB.
I think it is a mistake not to start Hall going forward. I don't care about the playoffs at this point as any game in the playoffs will be a serious beat down -- for me, it is all about player development at this point.
Understandable. But I think you're smart enough to know why a team in playoff contention can't and won't ever think that way.
Yes, that is the problem with a "competitive rebuild" -- the Vikes get to lose in the first round of the playoffs every year. I am at the point in my life where I want to see a SB victory and this was a perfect year to tank and improve draft position. Injured QB, injured superstar WR, etc. Getting to the playoffs with no hope of winning the SB is no longer my idea of a successful season unless it is building towards a SB run. This year is not. To me, competitive rebuild really is competitive mediocrity.
I'm assuming you mean sticking with the competitive rebuild after Cousins went down was the bad idea, and not that it was a bad idea from the outset. Because I think everyone would agree that if we'd stayed relatively healthy and not lost Cousins, JJ and half our line, the competitive rebuild would look pretty spectacular right now.
At my age, I think every decision should be keyed towards winning a Super Bowl. The Flores hire was brilliant and really raised the ceiling for this team where i thought if things dropped right, this team could be highly competitive in the playoffs. Once Cousins went down, and with salary cap problems still looming for next year, I think you need to pivot to making decisions not based on trying to play one post-season game but what will put the Vikings in the best position to win the SB in the near future. To me, that means draft position and getting the younger players meaningful playing time (two goals that somewhat line-up). Just like I hated Zimmer not playing back-ups in order to win a meaningless last game of the season, I disagree with a short term goal that hinders what should be the ultimate goal -- winning a SB.
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
4 games left in the season, you're currently the 6th seed, and the question is who do you play at QB.
Answer: the guy who best helps you make the postseason.
If your goal is to play one playoff game most years, then you are rooting for the right team.
If your goal is to tank while your team is solidly in the playoff hunt with players backing to go for it, then you're not concerned with building a winning culture. Totally this. Yeah the team will turn on you for tanking, while they are out there busting their guts to win. this isnt a fantasy league or we could start a new qb every week.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Games like yesterday really REALLY make you appreciate what we have in Cousins.
Anyone notice yesterday that the pass blocking and play calling seemed to get better when Mullens took over? It didn't. It just seemed that way, because Mullens ran the offense the way it was supposed to be run. He wasn't perfect, but he was a nice midpoint between the MVP-like play from Cousins and the WTF-like play from Dobbs.
Mullens should be better with a week of prep. Mullens vs. Browning next Saturday in Cincy. And yes, the play calling always looks better when you don't have complete incompetence (Dobbs) at QB.
I think it is a mistake not to start Hall going forward. I don't care about the playoffs at this point as any game in the playoffs will be a serious beat down -- for me, it is all about player development at this point.
Understandable. But I think you're smart enough to know why a team in playoff contention can't and won't ever think that way.
Yes, that is the problem with a "competitive rebuild" -- the Vikes get to lose in the first round of the playoffs every year. I am at the point in my life where I want to see a SB victory and this was a perfect year to tank and improve draft position. Injured QB, injured superstar WR, etc. Getting to the playoffs with no hope of winning the SB is no longer my idea of a successful season unless it is building towards a SB run. This year is not. To me, competitive rebuild really is competitive mediocrity.
I'm assuming you mean sticking with the competitive rebuild after Cousins went down was the bad idea, and not that it was a bad idea from the outset. Because I think everyone would agree that if we'd stayed relatively healthy and not lost Cousins, JJ and half our line, the competitive rebuild would look pretty spectacular right now.
At my age, I think every decision should be keyed towards winning a Super Bowl. The Flores hire was brilliant and really raised the ceiling for this team where i thought if things dropped right, this team could be highly competitive in the playoffs. Once Cousins went down, and with salary cap problems still looming for next year, I think you need to pivot to making decisions not based on trying to play one post-season game but what will put the Vikings in the best position to win the SB in the near future. To me, that means draft position and getting the younger players meaningful playing time (two goals that somewhat line-up). Just like I hated Zimmer not playing back-ups in order to win a meaningless last game of the season, I disagree with a short term goal that hinders what should be the ultimate goal -- winning a SB.
Fair enough. I can at least understand the desire to do so when both Cousins and JJ went down. But it's pretty obvious that those who thought the team should've tanked from day one were wildly off the mark.
From the perspective of the Vikings front office and coaching staff, the competitive rebuild actually worked; then Cousins went down.
They were competitive after cleaning up the early season rust, the O-line was starting to function as a unit, Cousins was finally in command of the same offensive scheme he had been in for more than one year, and the defense was coming together, and took a quantum leap from the previous year.
It appeared there was no team they couldn't beat.
That may have been a mirage, but the Wilf's aren't going to buy that.
Right or wrong, I expect the Wilf's to stay the course and make another run at Cousins next year.
And as always, and as it should be, it doesn't matter what we fans think.
Shitty as usual. Another 3 years of Cousins for the franchise of .500.
They are still trying to get to the playoffs, if they are eliminated then anyone and everyone will play. The main injury that took out Cousins obviously changed the season but the ripple effect of injuries afterwards has definitely made things more of a roller coaster. There have absolutely been ups and downs. Still questions though, does Cousins come back next year, affordable and recovered. The draft will be interesting. Also need to shore up depth. There a lot of contracts to consider. It's tough no doubt
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