Quote: @purplefaithful said:
23 was no mans land in terms of a 1st rd pick
The WR room wasn't empty after JJ b4 this pick, but it was question marks and slim pickens.
IMO, not enough juice in KJO and Nailer to make DC's fearful or change how they defend JJ with AT gone.
Addison may truly put some fear out there. Maybe the Vikings now got their next generation of 3 deep?
MY frustration as a fan today is not the Addison pick - I actually like it. My frustration is lack of a 2nd rd pick for D.
Dalton Kincaid could have been our pick instead of Hockenson and Hockenson's salary.
I also thought that could have been incredibly interesting to have Hockenson and Kincaid on the same team. Defend that lol.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ purplefaithful said:
23 was no mans land in terms of a 1st rd pick
The WR room wasn't empty after JJ b4 this pick, but it was question marks and slim pickens.
IMO, not enough juice in KJO and Nailer to make DC's fearful or change how they defend JJ with AT gone.
Addison may truly put some fear out there. Maybe the Vikings now got their next generation of 3 deep?
MY frustration as a fan today is not the Addison pick - I actually like it. My frustration is lack of a 2nd rd pick for D.
Dalton Kincaid could have been our pick instead of Hockenson and Hockenson's salary.
I also thought that could have been incredibly interesting to have Hockenson and Kincaid on the same team. Defend that lol.
Who needs Kincaid when you have *checks notes* Josh Oliver!
Quote: @JR44 said:
I watched most USC games last year, great route runner, plays bigger than he is, but he didn't show up in the big moments of games and couldn't stay on the field. This was a good pick for a team like the Chiefs who are already there, but for a team with so many holes on defense and no plan at QB for the future, I thought this was a brutal pick. I am far removed from that generation, but his choice of draft wear would have been enough for me to pass. With Osborne and Nailor this was a position we could have addressed later and possibly gotten a guy with better metrics and a larger ceiling.
His role at USC was a little funny in some ways since it was his first opportunity to play outside as a WR. He did it well but agree it wasn't like he was blowing the doors off. His Pitt tape was phenomenal though, so that is still worth something.
I personally like the pick, its the proverbial keeping it in the fairway. In an ideal world they were hoping to move up for Richardson or Stroud but no way were they going to get into the top 4 after they explored the prices of a move like that. From there the board fell pretty well and with a run at WR they couldn't move back too far or they'd lose both Addison or Banks who would have been the next man on their board.
WR2 has quickly become a premium position in the NFL and is even more important for a team like MN who is going to pay Jefferson at the top of the WR market. There were plenty of instances last year where teams lined up daring the Vikings to have Thielen beat them and the offense stalled out. This likely eliminates that issue since Addison's floor is likely a mid-range WR2. Compared to some other WRs on the board I felt Addison was likely their second WR choice after JSN. Would have considered Johnson as well but more so if they have the opportunity to move back and the WR run was a bit later.
Patience. Our second round pick is essentially Hockenson. We have a first and second rounder from last year (both on the D side) that have a year of healing and/or seasoning. This is already a good draft. The only thing pissed away were the draft picks for Reagor. Flush them, they're gone.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JR44 said:
I watched most USC games last year, great route runner, plays bigger than he is, but he didn't show up in the big moments of games and couldn't stay on the field. This was a good pick for a team like the Chiefs who are already there, but for a team with so many holes on defense and no plan at QB for the future, I thought this was a brutal pick. I am far removed from that generation, but his choice of draft wear would have been enough for me to pass. With Osborne and Nailor this was a position we could have addressed later and possibly gotten a guy with better metrics and a larger ceiling.
His role at USC was a little funny in some ways since it was his first opportunity to play outside as a WR. He did it well but agree it wasn't like he was blowing the doors off. His Pitt tape was phenomenal though, so that is still worth something.
I personally like the pick, its the proverbial keeping it in the fairway. In an ideal world they were hoping to move up for Richardson or Stroud but no way were they going to get into the top 4 after they explored the prices of a move like that. From there the board fell pretty well and with a run at WR they couldn't move back too far or they'd lose both Addison or Banks who would have been the next man on their board.
WR2 has quickly become a premium position in the NFL and is even more important for a team like MN who is going to pay Jefferson at the top of the WR market. There were plenty of instances last year where teams lined up daring the Vikings to have Thielen beat them and the offense stalled out. This likely eliminates that issue since Addison's floor is likely a mid-range WR2. Compared to some other WRs on the board I felt Addison was likely their second WR choice after JSN. Would have considered Johnson as well but more so if they have the opportunity to move back and the WR run was a bit later.
Is this a matter of need for WR2 supplanting anything on D positionally?
Or BPA?
Or BPA + need best met with Addison vs anything remaining out there on D?
The kid has game that at times reminds me of Diggs.
Quote: @Montana Tom said:
Patience. Our second round pick is essentially Hockenson. We have a first and second rounder from last year (both on the D side) that have a year of healing and/or seasoning. This is already a good draft. The only thing pissed away were the draft picks for Reagor. Flush them, they're gone.
If Hockenson is our 2nd round pick, then Akayleb Evans is also part of this draft. Kwesi traded this year's 4 to get him last year. And Kwesi got back the Reagor trade too: 2023 7th from SF and 2024 5th from KC.
Quote: @Montana Tom said:
Patience. Our second round pick is essentially Hockenson. We have a first and second rounder from last year (both on the D side) that have a year of healing and/or seasoning. This is already a good draft. The only thing pissed away were the draft picks for Reagor. Flush them, they're gone.
Boy Hockenson sure is taking up a lot of cap room for a 2nd round pick.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ Montana Tom said:
Patience. Our second round pick is essentially Hockenson. We have a first and second rounder from last year (both on the D side) that have a year of healing and/or seasoning. This is already a good draft. The only thing pissed away were the draft picks for Reagor. Flush them, they're gone.
Boy Hockenson sure is taking up a lot of cap room for a 2nd round pick.
I internalize it more as:
Lots of cap space for a Pro Bowl TE
I think Addison was an awesome pick and I’m guessing it was Coach KOC all in on him.
At the 30 man visit, KOC flat out told Addison if he was there at 23, he would be a Viking. He was true to his word.
I’m sure they listened to trade offers, but I get the impression it would have taken a ton of assets to get them off of the spot as they are that high on Addison. I would love to know the offers they fielded though.
I’m reading the tea leaves, but I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Addison was top 10 on their board or even top 5. It appeared to me that they stuck with best player available.
I believe they did the same with the Blackmon pick - best player available and carrying a first round grade for them. I don’t remember who made the comment, Kwesi or KOC, but they said they were ready to take Blackmon in round 1 had it fallen that way.
That made me feel much better about this crew. Blackmon was regarded as a mid round to late round pick with many experts. He was the #2 corner on my board and carried a first round grade. How a guy who gave up a 40ish QB rating on throws his way and missed only 2 tackles on the season (while playing and practicing against legit NFL talent) can be rated so poorly is just beyond me.
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