Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ BigAl99 said:
So how does this stat.relate to victories. TB is the only SB winner in the top 10 and that wasn't with a QB they drafted.
Consistency? Not having constant roster turnover, not having to alter schemes to fit free agents. Less reliance on over spending for free agents. 6 of the 10 teams are in the top 10 for win percentage during that 5 year stretch.
Thats what I was wondering, how it related to winning, i guess. When your my age thats pretty much is all I care about.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
And we fired Spielman why again?
1st round picks:
2015: Trae Waynes
2016: Treadwell
2017: Bradford trade
2018: Mike Hughes
2019: Bradbury
2020: JJ, Gladney
7 1st round picks and by 2023 all that's left is JJ and Bradbury.
And while 2021 got us Darrisaw in the 1st, there's that 3rd round of Mond/Suratt/Wyatt Davis/Patrick Jones. 3 total bombs and a ?
Kwesi's 1st draft didn't go as planned either, but after defending him for years I have to say Spielman earned his pink slip.
Quote: @RS Express said:
@ supafreak84 said:
And we fired Spielman why again?
1st round picks:
2015: Trae Waynes
2016: Treadwell
2017: Bradford trade
2018: Mike Hughes
2019: Bradbury
2020: JJ, Gladney
7 1st round picks and by 2023 all that's left is JJ and Bradbury.
And while 2021 got us Darrisaw in the 1st, there's that 3rd round of Mond/Suratt/Wyatt Davis/Patrick Jones. 3 total bombs and a ?
Kwesi's 1st draft didn't go as planned either, but after defending him for years I have to say Spielman earned his pink slip.
OK, so now be fair and do that for the rest of the NFL and see how he compares in context. If you do that enough times, you begin to understand one simple fact. The draft is a crap shoot and everyone sucks at it.
Some do better than others though. See the OP. See the fact that in his last nine drafts, Spielman drafted 23 Pro Bowl seasons and 12 All Pro seasons. Is that good? Who knows, maybe it's horrible. Can't tell without context. It's good. Belichick for example: 1 Pro Bowl season, 1 AllPro season.
Still, I was all for firing Spielman for the reason mentioned above. But there's no denying he was a pretty good drafter...unless of course you choose to just look at the bad picks, like you just did.
Just curious, when did pro bowl seasons become a metric of success, and are they only counting the guys that were actually voted in, or are they included the guys that went as alternates, sometimes the alternate to the alternate. Pro bowl IMO doesn't mean shit. All pro, that carries some weight.
Here's some context. Trae Waynes, taken 11th overall in 2015 was a moderate bust. A few of the players taken ahead of him were good. They also included Jameis Winston, total bust, Marcus Mariota, total bust, Dante Fowler, total bust, Leonard Williams, moderate bust, Kevin White, total bust, Vic Beasley, total bust, Ereck Flowers, total bust. These are players taken in the top 10.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ RS Express said:
@ supafreak84 said:
And we fired Spielman why again?
1st round picks:
2015: Trae Waynes
2016: Treadwell
2017: Bradford trade
2018: Mike Hughes
2019: Bradbury
2020: JJ, Gladney
7 1st round picks and by 2023 all that's left is JJ and Bradbury.
And while 2021 got us Darrisaw in the 1st, there's that 3rd round of Mond/Suratt/Wyatt Davis/Patrick Jones. 3 total bombs and a ?
Kwesi's 1st draft didn't go as planned either, but after defending him for years I have to say Spielman earned his pink slip.
OK, so now be fair and do that for the rest of the NFL and see how he compares in context. If you do that enough times, you begin to understand one simple fact. The draft is a crap shoot and everyone sucks at it.
Some do better than others though. See the OP. See the fact that in his last nine drafts, Spielman drafted 23 Pro Bowl seasons and 12 All Pro seasons. Is that good? Who knows, maybe it's horrible. Can't tell without context. It's good. Belichick for example: 1 Pro Bowl season, 1 AllPro season.
Still, I was all for firing Spielman for the reason mentioned above. But there's no denying he was a pretty good drafter...unless of course you choose to just look at the bad picks, like you just did.
The draft isn’t pure random luck. He didn’t just roll snake eyes too many times
and I guess the team was mediocre because of luck of the draw. There is a luck component for sure, but over
time it averages out, and the GMs job is to find better talent, and make sure
the coaches and support staff are in place to develop and maximize the talent
on the roster at a rate that’s better than his peers on other teams.
The talent on this roster after Spielman left was not
great. We were old, expensive, and had
no depth to fill in when injuries happened. Our secondary was depleted. Our
DLine wasn’t adequate, especially for the 2 years Hunter missed. We spent a ton of draft capital on OLine and
they still hovered at league bottom.
I think Spielman’s big downfalls happened around the time when
Cousins came in. We shifted from a
Zimmer designed team, where Spielman got Zimmer what he needed to a Spielman
designed team, where Zimmer coached whatever Spielman gave him. He got him an expensive, but not elite QB
that he didn’t want. He stacked the
offense at the expense of his defense, which was Zim’s calling card. He got him an OLine which was too weak to
pass block for the statue of a QB he had.
I don’t think Spielmans strategy was bad, but it was a
horrible fit with Zimmer. He should have
moved on from Zimmer at the time and moved towards an offensive minded coach.
Zimmer's time came and went in the NFL...That era of football is done, forever.
I agree with @ medaille, when they brought KC in? They should have brought a KOC type coach in at the get-go.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Zimmer's time came and went in the NFL...That era of football is done, forever.
I agree with @medaille, when they brought KC in? They should have brought a KOC type coach in at the get-go.
The only problem with that was Zimmer was pretty successful and coming off a NFC Championship game appearance. And with Zimmer being a Parcells guy, you know what his motto was.......if you want me to cook the meal then at least let me shop for the groceries. Total change in philosophy at that point.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ RS Express said:
@ supafreak84 said:
And we fired Spielman why again?
1st round picks:
2015: Trae Waynes
2016: Treadwell
2017: Bradford trade
2018: Mike Hughes
2019: Bradbury
2020: JJ, Gladney
7 1st round picks and by 2023 all that's left is JJ and Bradbury.
And while 2021 got us Darrisaw in the 1st, there's that 3rd round of Mond/Suratt/Wyatt Davis/Patrick Jones. 3 total bombs and a ?
Kwesi's 1st draft didn't go as planned either, but after defending him for years I have to say Spielman earned his pink slip.
OK, so now be fair and do that for the rest of the NFL and see how he compares in context. If you do that enough times, you begin to understand one simple fact. The draft is a crap shoot and everyone sucks at it.
Some do better than others though. See the OP. See the fact that in his last nine drafts, Spielman drafted 23 Pro Bowl seasons and 12 All Pro seasons. Is that good? Who knows, maybe it's horrible. Can't tell without context. It's good. Belichick for example: 1 Pro Bowl season, 1 AllPro season.
Still, I was all for firing Spielman for the reason mentioned above. But there's no denying he was a pretty good drafter...unless of course you choose to just look at the bad picks, like you just did.
The draft isn’t pure random luck. He didn’t just roll snake eyes too many times
and I guess the team was mediocre because of luck of the draw. There is a luck component for sure, but over
time it averages out, and the GMs job is to find better talent, and make sure
the coaches and support staff are in place to develop and maximize the talent
on the roster at a rate that’s better than his peers on other teams.
The talent on this roster after Spielman left was not
great. We were old, expensive, and had
no depth to fill in when injuries happened. Our secondary was depleted. Our
DLine wasn’t adequate, especially for the 2 years Hunter missed. We spent a ton of draft capital on OLine and
they still hovered at league bottom.
I think Spielman’s big downfalls happened around the time when
Cousins came in. We shifted from a
Zimmer designed team, where Spielman got Zimmer what he needed to a Spielman
designed team, where Zimmer coached whatever Spielman gave him. He got him an expensive, but not elite QB
that he didn’t want. He stacked the
offense at the expense of his defense, which was Zim’s calling card. He got him an OLine which was too weak to
pass block for the statue of a QB he had.
I don’t think Spielmans strategy was bad, but it was a
horrible fit with Zimmer. He should have
moved on from Zimmer at the time and moved towards an offensive minded coach.
I disagree completely that Rick left this roster with subpar talent. We won 13 games last season on the backs of the talent Rick Spielman acquired for this organization. The Adolfo-Mensah acquisitions made little to no impact outside of the mid-season trade for Hockenson and half a season of Zadarius Smith. I still contend the Vikings would have been better off moving forward by keeping Spielman and just making a coaching change.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ medaille said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ RS Express said:
@ supafreak84 said:
And we fired Spielman why again?
1st round picks:
2015: Trae Waynes
2016: Treadwell
2017: Bradford trade
2018: Mike Hughes
2019: Bradbury
2020: JJ, Gladney
7 1st round picks and by 2023 all that's left is JJ and Bradbury.
And while 2021 got us Darrisaw in the 1st, there's that 3rd round of Mond/Suratt/Wyatt Davis/Patrick Jones. 3 total bombs and a ?
Kwesi's 1st draft didn't go as planned either, but after defending him for years I have to say Spielman earned his pink slip.
OK, so now be fair and do that for the rest of the NFL and see how he compares in context. If you do that enough times, you begin to understand one simple fact. The draft is a crap shoot and everyone sucks at it.
Some do better than others though. See the OP. See the fact that in his last nine drafts, Spielman drafted 23 Pro Bowl seasons and 12 All Pro seasons. Is that good? Who knows, maybe it's horrible. Can't tell without context. It's good. Belichick for example: 1 Pro Bowl season, 1 AllPro season.
Still, I was all for firing Spielman for the reason mentioned above. But there's no denying he was a pretty good drafter...unless of course you choose to just look at the bad picks, like you just did.
The draft isn’t pure random luck. He didn’t just roll snake eyes too many times
and I guess the team was mediocre because of luck of the draw. There is a luck component for sure, but over
time it averages out, and the GMs job is to find better talent, and make sure
the coaches and support staff are in place to develop and maximize the talent
on the roster at a rate that’s better than his peers on other teams.
The talent on this roster after Spielman left was not
great. We were old, expensive, and had
no depth to fill in when injuries happened. Our secondary was depleted. Our
DLine wasn’t adequate, especially for the 2 years Hunter missed. We spent a ton of draft capital on OLine and
they still hovered at league bottom.
I think Spielman’s big downfalls happened around the time when
Cousins came in. We shifted from a
Zimmer designed team, where Spielman got Zimmer what he needed to a Spielman
designed team, where Zimmer coached whatever Spielman gave him. He got him an expensive, but not elite QB
that he didn’t want. He stacked the
offense at the expense of his defense, which was Zim’s calling card. He got him an OLine which was too weak to
pass block for the statue of a QB he had.
I don’t think Spielmans strategy was bad, but it was a
horrible fit with Zimmer. He should have
moved on from Zimmer at the time and moved towards an offensive minded coach.
I disagree completely that Rick left this roster with subpar talent. We won 13 games last season on the backs of the talent Rick Spielman acquired for this organization. The Adolfo-Mensah acquisitions made little to no impact outside of the mid-season trade for Hockenson and half a season of Zadarius Smith. I still contend the Vikings would have been better off moving forward by keeping Spielman and just making a coaching change. I fully disagree about the superior Spielman talent that paved the way to 13-4. The Vikings set an NFL record with one score victories (11) and had 9 come from behind wins. The main difference from the prior year Zim coached was most or at least half of those were losses. The team overachieved at times and played to win last season. I think the change of attitude in the FO and coaching is what made 2022 a winning season. Getting Z and having a healthy Hunter also helped, but even the OL played better due to better coaching. It was Kwesi that picked our coach, and no way I would've trusted Spielman to try it again. Good for you that you like and trust RS so much, but I have the complete opposite opinion.
Vikings comebacks in 2022
| Week |
Opponent |
Largest 2nd half deficit |
Final score |
| 3 |
Detroit Lions |
10 points |
28-24 |
| 4 |
New Orleans Saints |
3 points |
28-25 |
| 5 |
Chicago Bears |
1 point |
29-22 |
| 8 |
Arizona Cardinals |
3 points |
34-26 |
| 9 |
Washington Commanders |
10 points |
20-17 |
| 10 |
Buffalo Bills |
17 points |
33-30 (OT) |
| 12 |
New England Patriots |
7 points |
33-26 |
| 15 |
Indianapolis Colts |
33 points |
39-36 (OT) |
| 16 |
New York Giants |
3 points |
27-24 |
Vikings record in one-score games
Minnesota has put together an outrageous 11-0 record in one-possession games this season, an NFL record.
| Week |
Opponent |
Final score |
| 3 |
Detroit Lions |
28-24 |
| 4 |
New Orleans Saints |
28-25 |
| 5 |
Chicago Bears |
29-22 |
| 6 |
Miami Dolphins |
24-16 |
| 8 |
Arizona Cardinals |
34-26 |
| 9 |
Washington Commanders |
20-17 |
| 10 |
Buffalo Bills |
33-30 (OT) |
| 12 |
New England Patriots |
33-26 |
| 13 |
New York Jets |
27-22 |
| 15 |
Indianapolis Colts |
39-36 (OT) |
| 16 |
New York Giants |
27-24 |
|
