Quote: @minny65 said:
I was very happy with the O'Neill pick at the time and predicted he would start before mid season. Most had him as too weak to start at Tackle in his first year but early preseason showed otherwise. I like the concept of locking him up now based on that 11-14 million range because that is about his level of play. But as others have pointed out he might look even better and raise his game with a better Guard next to him.
I am going by memory but in that 2018 draft many many posters were in love with us taking Hernandez(pure Guard). I liked him as well but then Guru made a very good case for him not being a great fit for us and I jumped off his bandwagon. My favorite OL was Isiah Wynn (Georgia-versatility T/G ) who the Pats took in the early 20's. We took Mike Hughes with our late first and Hernandez went a few picks after us to the Giants. So the brass decided against Hernandez as well.
Back to O'Neill, even though we got him in the second, he was only the 2nd projected pure Tackle off the board with Kolten Miller going in the teens to the Raiders. He was a very good find/pick because the majority of draftniks had him going in round 3 or 4 at that time. Their was very little talk about him on this site pre-draft.
I am going to post a recent article about Hernandez from the NY press.
I liked Ragnow and Wynn. Wasn't overly hot on Hernandez due to fit, but he intrigued me. It was around this time that I started to question whether zone athleticism shouldn't be knocked down a notch in traits you look for...even for a zone team.
After Ragnow and Wynn, I liked a lot of the 2nd tier guards like Austin Corbett and Braden Smith. Wasn't really thinking tackle since I thought Remmers would play there. Still, thought O'Neill was full of bad weight due to TE to OT conversion, and then of course he was just awful at the Senior Bowl. He was off my radar until 3rd or 4th. I've since learned to take those Senior Bowl 1 on 1s with a grain of salt. They heavily favor the pass rusher.
Didn't like the Hughes pick because why take your 4th corner in the 1st round? We had Rhodes and Waynes outside and Mack in the slot. I've since come to the side of thinking that says you can never have enough corners.
Funny how things change.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
I missed by a country mile on him.
Which still likely makes you a mile closer than me. I was badmouthing the guy from draft night all through the offseason.
Quote: @RS Express said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I missed by a country mile on him.
Which still likely makes you a mile closer than me. I was badmouthing the guy from draft night all through the offseason.
I think what happened with O'Neill and correct me if I'm wrong (MB probably knows for sure on this), didn't he have an awful Senior Bowl? I mean, where the reporting was he looked overmatched and overwhelmed? It was something like that. So I get why some fans weren't too excited initially.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ RS Express said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I missed by a country mile on him.
Which still likely makes you a mile closer than me. I was badmouthing the guy from draft night all through the offseason.
I think what happened with O'Neill and correct me if I'm wrong (MB probably knows for sure on this), didn't he have an awful Senior Bowl? I mean, where the reporting was he looked overmatched and overwhelmed? It was something like that. So I get why some fans weren't too excited initially.
Yeah, converted TE who packed on 60 lbs in two years, shows up at Senior Bowl, first time consistently facing NFL-level talent, and is made to look silly in 1v1s. That's a red flag and it moved him down most rankings.
Unlike minny65, who liked him all along, I was not happy with the pick. But happy to be wrong on that one. Still, I think he needs to continue to improve. He's not there yet. We have a history of bad lines and bad line picks, so we get pretty jacked when we see league average. O'Neill has been a little better than "LA," especially in the run game, but this is his 4th season. I'm expecting bigger things.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ RS Express said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I missed by a country mile on him.
Which still likely makes you a mile closer than me. I was badmouthing the guy from draft night all through the offseason.
I think what happened with O'Neill and correct me if I'm wrong (MB probably knows for sure on this), didn't he have an awful Senior Bowl? I mean, where the reporting was he looked overmatched and overwhelmed? It was something like that. So I get why some fans weren't too excited initially.
Yeah, converted TE who packed on 60 lbs in two years, shows up at Senior Bowl, first time consistently facing NFL-level talent, and is made to look silly in 1v1s. That's a red flag and it moved him down most rankings.
Unlike minny65, who liked him all along, I was not happy with the pick. But happy to be wrong on that one. Still, I think he needs to continue to improve. He's not there yet. We have a history of bad lines and bad line picks, so we get pretty jacked when we see league average. O'Neill has been a little better than "LA," especially in the run game, but this is his 4th season. I'm expecting bigger things.
Agreed. I don't see a great RT in O'Neill, I'd take decent. I think he'd already have established himself more if he was going to be excellent. I'd rather have Darrisaw be dominant :p .
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ RS Express said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I missed by a country mile on him.
Which still likely makes you a mile closer than me. I was badmouthing the guy from draft night all through the offseason.
I think what happened with O'Neill and correct me if I'm wrong (MB probably knows for sure on this), didn't he have an awful Senior Bowl? I mean, where the reporting was he looked overmatched and overwhelmed? It was something like that. So I get why some fans weren't too excited initially.
Yeah, converted TE who packed on 60 lbs in two years, shows up at Senior Bowl, first time consistently facing NFL-level talent, and is made to look silly in 1v1s. That's a red flag and it moved him down most rankings.
Unlike minny65, who liked him all along, I was not happy with the pick. But happy to be wrong on that one. Still, I think he needs to continue to improve. He's not there yet. We have a history of bad lines and bad line picks, so we get pretty jacked when we see league average. O'Neill has been a little better than "LA," especially in the run game, but this is his 4th season. I'm expecting bigger things.
Yeah, I was just joking with that post-draft comment. I don't claim to know a thing about college kids or draftees. I read the write-ups after the draft and tend to like most of the draft picks unless everyone is completely against the pick, like O'Neill.
Quote: @minny65 said:
I was very happy with the O'Neill pick at the time and predicted he would start before mid season. Most had him as too weak to start at Tackle in his first year but early preseason showed otherwise. I like the concept of locking him up now based on that 11-14 million range because that is about his level of play. But as others have pointed out he might look even better and raise his game with a better Guard next to him.
I am going by memory but in that 2018 draft many many posters were in love with us taking Hernandez(pure Guard). I liked him as well but then Guru made a very good case for him not being a great fit for us and I jumped off his bandwagon. My favorite OL was Isiah Wynn (Georgia-versatility T/G ) who the Pats took in the early 20's. We took Mike Hughes with our late first and Hernandez went a few picks after us to the Giants. So the brass decided against Hernandez as well.
Back to O'Neill, even though we got him in the second, he was only the 2nd projected pure Tackle off the board with Kolten Miller going in the teens to the Raiders. He was a very good find/pick because the majority of draftniks had him going in round 3 or 4 at that time. Their was very little talk about him on this site pre-draft.
I am going to post a recent article about Hernandez from the NY press.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2021/6/14/22...s-training
Is this the article you are referring to?
Quote: @TBro said:
@ minny65 said:
I was very happy with the O'Neill pick at the time and predicted he would start before mid season. Most had him as too weak to start at Tackle in his first year but early preseason showed otherwise. I like the concept of locking him up now based on that 11-14 million range because that is about his level of play. But as others have pointed out he might look even better and raise his game with a better Guard next to him.
I am going by memory but in that 2018 draft many many posters were in love with us taking Hernandez(pure Guard). I liked him as well but then Guru made a very good case for him not being a great fit for us and I jumped off his bandwagon. My favorite OL was Isiah Wynn (Georgia-versatility T/G ) who the Pats took in the early 20's. We took Mike Hughes with our late first and Hernandez went a few picks after us to the Giants. So the brass decided against Hernandez as well.
Back to O'Neill, even though we got him in the second, he was only the 2nd projected pure Tackle off the board with Kolten Miller going in the teens to the Raiders. He was a very good find/pick because the majority of draftniks had him going in round 3 or 4 at that time. Their was very little talk about him on this site pre-draft.
I am going to post a recent article about Hernandez from the NY press.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2021/6/14/22...s-training
Is this the article you are referring to?
No, not that article but it was a similar read. I posted it on its own thread which is halfway down on the front page.
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