Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ mblack said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Disclaimer:
If the goal of the game is to make the team better and subsequently win the Super bowl then I think the Vikings did not win the trade.
- Diggs has helped the Bills get to the AFC championship game. A level they have not achieved for a long time. Without Diggs they don't get there. The same Diggs helped the Vikings get to the NFC championship game.
- Diggs has improved the Bills team more than JJ has improved the Vikings team regarding, impact on the game, wins and losses, post season, heck even individual stats
- If the Bills make the super bowl let a lone win it, they are runaway winners of the trade
So as of this year I strongly believe the Bills won the trade. Yes the Vikings saved money but it is still to be seen what they do with the savings.
Lolz ya, one player was the difference for the Bills. If we would have that same one player LOOK OUT, we may have won 8 games. Trade was equal, both sides won
He is a pretty big target for Allen. They compliment each other and make each other better. That is definitely a huge win.
It is, I'm not disagreeing with that but it's not like Josh Allen only elevated his game on throwing to Diggs. Countless times in the first two playoff games he was extending plays and hitting other receivers not named Diggs beyond the first down marker and close to out of bounds. Diggs didnt elevate the defense to only allow 3 points to the Ravens. Diggs has been a big piece to their success but they easily win the division without him IMO
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
Name 1 competent starting player the Vikings have drafted in round 4 since 2010 (Everson Griffen).
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ Knucklehead said:
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
Name 1 competent starting player the Vikings have drafted in round 4 since 2010 (Everson Griffen).
I see what you did there by adding "competent"...nice
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ Knucklehead said:
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
Name 1 competent starting player the Vikings have drafted in round 4 since 2010 (Everson Griffen).
Well, there's that Diggs fella...heard of him?
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Knucklehead said:
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
Name 1 competent starting player the Vikings have drafted in round 4 since 2010 (Everson Griffen).
I see what you did there by adding "competent"...nice
I guess I could take that word away, so people can say Ben Gedeon or TJ Clemmings...or even Jalyn Holmes or Dru Samia, if they want. The point remains: we got a 1st (Jefferson) for Diggs. The day 3 picks are not likely to be any more useful to this team than all the other day 3 picks Spielman has selected.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Knucklehead said:
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
Name 1 competent starting player the Vikings have drafted in round 4 since 2010 (Everson Griffen).
I see what you did there by adding "competent"...nice
I guess I could take that word away, so people can say Ben Gedeon or TJ Clemmings...or even Jalyn Holmes or Dru Samia, if they want. The point remains: we got a 1st (Jefferson) for Diggs. The day 3 picks are not likely to be any more useful to this team than all the other day 3 picks Spielman has selected.
You mean like Wonnum, Watts, Conklin, Odenigbo Weatherly, and Diggs?
Hokay
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Knucklehead said:
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
Name 1 competent starting player the Vikings have drafted in round 4 since 2010 (Everson Griffen).
I see what you did there by adding "competent"...nice
I guess I could take that word away, so people can say Ben Gedeon or TJ Clemmings...or even Jalyn Holmes or Dru Samia, if they want. The point remains: we got a 1st (Jefferson) for Diggs. The day 3 picks are not likely to be any more useful to this team than all the other day 3 picks Spielman has selected.
You mean like Wonnum, Watts, Conklin, Odenigbo Weatherly, and Diggs?
Hokay
Yes I do.
bottom line for whatever reason is Diggs wanted to be elsewhere. whether it was a “larger role”, disagreement with coaching / philosophy...whatever. His “cryptic tweets” were getting old. You play the hand that is dealt...
he didnt want to be here, we netted JJ, who is equally productive, younger, cheaper, (and until his outburst) less of a whiny bitch
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ Knucklehead said:
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
Name 1 competent starting player the Vikings have drafted in round 4 since 2010 (Everson Griffen).
Worst case scenario: The Vikes are over the cap heading into the offseason. Those two 4th round picks allow them to add quality depth while moving on from higher priced vets.
Best case scenario: Rick drafts a future HOF'er with one of those picks. Although it's highly unlikely to be a QB or OL 
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ mblack said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Disclaimer:
If the goal of the game is to make the team better and subsequently win the Super bowl then I think the Vikings did not win the trade.
- Diggs has helped the Bills get to the AFC championship game. A level they have not achieved for a long time. Without Diggs they don't get there. The same Diggs helped the Vikings get to the NFC championship game.
- Diggs has improved the Bills team more than JJ has improved the Vikings team regarding, impact on the game, wins and losses, post season, heck even individual stats
- If the Bills make the super bowl let a lone win it, they are runaway winners of the trade
So as of this year I strongly believe the Bills won the trade. Yes the Vikings saved money but it is still to be seen what they do with the savings.
Lolz ya, one player was the difference for the Bills. If we would have that same one player LOOK OUT, we may have won 8 games. Trade was equal, both sides won
He is a pretty big target for Allen. They compliment each other and make each other better. That is definitely a huge win.
It is, I'm not disagreeing with that but it's not like Josh Allen only elevated his game on throwing to Diggs. Countless times in the first two playoff games he was extending plays and hitting other receivers not named Diggs beyond the first down marker and close to out of bounds. Diggs didnt elevate the defense to only allow 3 points to the Ravens. Diggs has been a big piece to their success but they easily win the division without him IMO
I can't remember a bigger jump up in play then what Josh Allen had from year 2 to year 3 this year. His overall completion % was towards the bottom his first 2 years. I am not looking up stats but going by memory so might be off some. His completion % this year was towards the top. His long ball was known to be his biggest accuracy problem, again towards the bottom his first 2 years and now towards the Top. Just a huge turnaround by Allen. Diggs helps but not to this degree - IMO. The Bills developed Allen to perfection, I know he worked with a QB coach (Dorsey) and I think they made some changes to this motion. I think the light went on for him with a lot of good coaching. I'll add that Josh Allen is very bright for those that look at Wonderlics 
Anyway, I am with those (as I was when the trade went down), happy to get rid of a malcontent for a very good draft capital package. Not bad for a former 4th rounder at all. That was before we even drafted JJ. Now I really like the trade. Reminds me of the Harvin trade when we got great value for a malcontent. I understand what Jor-el is saying about putting up with professional athletes because they have been coddles for so long. But even coddled athletes know that you can't miss multiple practices (Iverson), meetings and then send immature tweets and diss your starting QB. I think Diggs knew exactly what he was doing and was trying to be traded for a few seasons.
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