02-06-2020, 10:12 PM
Elf was not a 1st Round pick.
Could The Vikings Trade Diggs This Offseason?
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02-06-2020, 10:12 PM
Elf was not a 1st Round pick.
02-06-2020, 11:17 PM
Quote: @BlackMagic7 said:This a great point. I think the answer to, "how did we end up here?", is that we've had something like 5 OCs in 5 years. And now we have another new one. You could have the best GM in the world but when every offseason you have a brand new OC telling you he needs a certain kind of player, it makes it impossible to build a perfect unit. Not to mention how annoying it must be for the actual players to learn a new system every year. Continuity has helped our defense, and crippled our offense. Our Head Coach taking little-to-no ownership over said offenses every year also has an affect. I'm hopeful that FSUVike and some others are right and that a piece here, a piece there can get the Vikings over the hump. But the more I think about it, the more skeptical I become. However, once the draft is closer I'm sure I will be fully back on board the hype train. And if the draft goes well, it's on to training camp, the season, and the Super Bowl babay!!!
02-06-2020, 11:50 PM
Some people think that a great oline and average QB is the key. I don't. I think it starts with a great QB with an average oline. The Cowboys have a top oline and an average QB. I think if we are keeping our average QB then we need to keep our top WR's, they are definitely worth more than our average QB.
02-07-2020, 12:26 AM
I'm not an optimist. I'm a realist. No one can deny the reality of how much better Josh Kline, a borderline Tier 2/3 Free Agent, played compared to Remmers. Nobody was banging the drum to sign this guy. But Rick, certainly with input from Gary and Rick Dennison, inked him. Very late if Free Agency IIRC.
Pat Elflien just turned in a worse performance than his predecessor, Compton. In many ways as bad as Remmers. Upgrading from that to League Average will go just as far as what Kline did this year. And there's the lesson we learned from the 9ers. A former Bust at LG. Backup Center. Journeyman RG. Look what Kyle got out of them using a very similar system to Gary's. Yes, Bradbury struggled a lot. But he improved. And will add strength. There's no reason to believe he won't get better just like Ragnow did. And he won't have a gaping hole playing on his left. 2nd year in a system that maximizes the strengths of the QB but now will be called by a far more experienced Coordinator. One we've actually seen making in-game adjustments. One we've actually seen cobble together high-performing Lines without premium picks and yet already has a 1st and 2nd Rounder to build around. And just as importantly, we've seen him get production from 2 great Receivers. Emmanuel Sanders and Demaryius Thomas combined for 181 catches, over 2,400 yards and 12 TDs during their Super Bowl season. With a QB that could hardly go deep! Think about that. He got a thousand yard season from both of his stud Receivers with Manning barely able to throw the ball. That's coaching, plain and simple. So now Gary gets a better duo, at least in my opinion. With a QB that's Top 10 in going deep. AND two TEs and RBs that will kill teams underneath if they double team both WRs. But before he can even get to play mad scientist you want to trade Diggs. With absolutely zero viable pieces on the roster to replace him. And why? Because the last two Barely Legal OCs weren't smart enough to unlock the full potential of Thielen & Diggs? Because Diggs can be high maintenance? As if there's a single team in the League with no player on their entire roster like that. The only way it would make sense would be a good Starter at a position of need plus a high pick. Like a Thuney-type player and a 2nd . Really, it would need to be a young guy that wouldn't need an extension right away. CB or 3T would make more sense given Gary's track record with fielding good to great Lines without a lot of high picks. Would be hard to look around the League and find a team that is just 1 Wide Receiver away from serious contention that also has a young Starter and would give up a high pick. Probably isn't one. So the value just isn't there. Another thing to consider is that Gary and Rick Dennison probably had huge input on the Samia and Udoh picks. Dru had all the measurables and the nasty streak in school but he was still fairly raw from a technique perspective. And technique is king in the OZBS. I'm not as down on him failing to beat out Elf during the season. He was picked specifically to go into the oven and bake for a year, just like Oli. Look how quick Kline developed after looking done in Tennessee. Adding another Kline-type player to compete with Samia and probably another mid-round Draft pick has a very high probability of yielding a League Average Left Guard. Which will be a major improvement. There's also Free Agency and the Draft to look into upgrading from Reiff, who's still serviceable, though overly pricey. Cousins in the 2nd straight year in the system Shanahan wanted so desperately to put him in. With an actually experienced playcaller who can make in-game adjustments. A better Line. A full offseason for Irv and Bisi to develop. And two lethal WRs. All this coming off of a season where the team already had a Top 10 Offense. I'm not optimistic. I'm being realistic. Improvement to say a Top 5 Offense is the most likely outcome without a slew of injuries.
02-07-2020, 01:04 AM
Cool... Quote Tweet ![]() @stefondiggs I don’t forget or forgive...
02-07-2020, 01:45 AM
Quote: @FLVike said: if only we had an average OL, but unfortunately we have an average QB and a below average OL, so having above average WR doesnt really compute at this time since when teams have above average DL they make our OL and QB look like chicken shit which makes to above average WR spectators, which is why they throw tantrums from time to time.
02-07-2020, 01:47 AM
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said: fuck... i cant find my decoder ring.
02-07-2020, 02:04 AM
This seems to be his thing...tilting at windmills...
02-07-2020, 02:06 AM
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:The comments on that thread are hilarious and ridiculous.
02-07-2020, 02:44 AM
You have a QB that can't deliver the ball when he's open, and you want to get rid of the receiver?
Have you not figured out why Thielen and Diggs have had dust ups on the sidelines with Cousins? I wouldn't be surprised if Diggs wanted to play elsewhere, but I can't believe anyone can't see the reason for his frustrations. You actually have two of the best wide receivers in the league. You might want to get a guy in here who can deliver the ball. |
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