So what happens if they don’t get to 3rd
down? Is that data not included on this
chart?
Like if you go:
- 1D: Pass for 14 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 12 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 8 yards.
- 2D: Pass for 15 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 19 yards.
- 1D: Run for 2 yards.
- 2D: Run for 3 yards.
- 3D: Incomplete Pass:
- 4D: Punt
Does that just go into the chart as 100% RRP and ignores all
the other successful pass plays?
Quote: @medaille said:
So what happens if they don’t get to 3rd
down? Is that data not included on this
chart?
Like if you go:
- 1D: Pass for 14 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 12 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 8 yards.
- 2D: Pass for 15 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 19 yards.
- 1D: Run for 2 yards.
- 2D: Run for 3 yards.
- 3D: Incomplete Pass:
- 4D: Punt
Does that just go into the chart as 100% RRP and ignores all
the other successful pass plays?
They throw in the "qualifying series" so I am assuming it is only series that include the 1 2 3 downs.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ medaille said:
So what happens if they don’t get to 3rd
down? Is that data not included on this
chart?
Like if you go:
- 1D: Pass for 14 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 12 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 8 yards.
- 2D: Pass for 15 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 19 yards.
- 1D: Run for 2 yards.
- 2D: Run for 3 yards.
- 3D: Incomplete Pass:
- 4D: Punt
Does that just go into the chart as 100% RRP and ignores all
the other successful pass plays?
They throw in the "qualifying series" so I am assuming it is only series that include the 1 2 3 downs.
if that is the case it can really paint a screwed picture of success or failure, especially not knowing the result of that 3rd down play.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ medaille said:
So what happens if they don’t get to 3rd
down? Is that data not included on this
chart?
Like if you go:
- 1D: Pass for 14 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 12 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 8 yards.
- 2D: Pass for 15 yards.
- 1D: Pass for 19 yards.
- 1D: Run for 2 yards.
- 2D: Run for 3 yards.
- 3D: Incomplete Pass:
- 4D: Punt
Does that just go into the chart as 100% RRP and ignores all
the other successful pass plays?
They throw in the "qualifying series" so I am assuming it is only series that include the 1 2 3 downs.
if that is the case it can really paint a screwed picture of success or failure, especially not knowing the result of that 3rd down play.
Yeah, that would really screw with it wouldn't it. Dunno, but you would have to use something to qualify it.
Quote: @medaille said:
Here's our run-pass % by down:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...splits.htm
(Click on "All Vikings Plays on 1st Down", etc.)
1st: 55.6% Pass / 44.4% Run
2nd: 63.2% Pass / 36.8% Run
3rd: 85.2% Pass / 14.8% Run
4th: 71.4% Pass / 28.6% Run
It's interesting but would be more enlightening if we could relate it to down and distance, or something that indicates success or failure rate, such as; on first down, gained more than 3 yards or less than 3 yards; 2nd down, second and long vs second and short,; 3rd down, converted first down did not convert. 4th down, 4th and short vs 4th and long.
That would give the stats further context.
I don't know if anyone breaks it down that way, and it would take a lot of work, but would be interesting and place the stats in context.
Quote: @medaille said:
Here's our run-pass % by down:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...splits.htm
(Click on "All Vikings Plays on 1st Down", etc.)
1st: 55.6% Pass / 44.4% Run
2nd: 63.2% Pass / 36.8% Run
3rd: 85.2% Pass / 14.8% Run
4th: 71.4% Pass / 28.6% Run
So on 1st down the D had a 56% chance of being correct predicting a pass
63% on 2nd
85% on 3rd
71% on 4th
Here I thought I had some special talent!
Quote: @medaille said:
Here's our run-pass % by down:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...splits.htm
(Click on "All Vikings Plays on 1st Down", etc.)
1st: 55.6% Pass / 44.4% Run
2nd: 63.2% Pass / 36.8% Run
3rd: 85.2% Pass / 14.8% Run
4th: 71.4% Pass / 28.6% Run
And there's the problem. 1st down is OK. 3rd down is OK. 4th down is irrelevant. But that 2nd down breakdown should be reversed, and then some.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
Here's our run-pass % by down:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...splits.htm
(Click on "All Vikings Plays on 1st Down", etc.)
1st: 55.6% Pass / 44.4% Run
2nd: 63.2% Pass / 36.8% Run
3rd: 85.2% Pass / 14.8% Run
4th: 71.4% Pass / 28.6% Run
And there's the problem. 1st down is OK. 3rd down is OK. 4th down is irrelevant. But that 2nd down breakdown should be reversed, and then some.
depends on how 1st down went is driving the 2nd down numbers IMO... also the fact that we couldnt ever stay ahead of the chains this year. if they had a good first down it was brought back by penalty, or we had a pre snap mess that made it first and 15 or 20 that they then had to over come.
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ medaille said:
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It's interesting but would be more enlightening if we could relate it to down and distance, or something that indicates success or failure rate, such as; on first down, gained more than 3 yards or less than 3 yards; 2nd down, second and long vs second and short,; 3rd down, converted first down did not convert. 4th down, 4th and short vs 4th and long.
That would give the stats further context.
I don't know if anyone breaks it down that way, and it would take a lot of work, but would be interesting and place the stats in context.
If you click on the link they also break it down by down and distance and several different ways, but it's kind of chunky to copy and paste
Splits by Down & Yards to Go | Rushing | Passing | |
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| Down & Yards to Go | #Pl | ToGo | Yds | Att | Yds | Y/A | TD | 1D | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | Y/A | TD | Int | Sk | 1D | Rate | ANY/A | |
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| 1st & 10 | 414 | 10.00 | 6.08 | 179 | 813 | 4.5 | 3 | 22 | 168 | 227 | 74 | 1704 | 7.5 | 5 | 5 | 8 | 74 | 93.2 | 6.7 |
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| 1st & >10 | 19 | 17.68 | 5.89 | 8 | 69 | 8.6 | 1 | 2 | 8 | 10 | 80 | 43 | 4.3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 84.6 | 3.9 |
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| 1st & <10 | 21 | 4.81 | 2.14 | 12 | 16 | 1.3 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 8 | 75 | 29 | 3.6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 119.3 | 14.3 | |
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| 2nd & 1-4 | 48 | 2.02 | 3.71 | 24 | 61 | 2.5 | 0 | 12 | 17 | 24 | 70.8 | 117 | 4.9 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 14 | 103.6 | 5.5 |
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| 2nd & 4-6 | 70 | 5.07 | 6.27 | 26 | 83 | 3.2 | 0 | 6 | 34 | 44 | 77.3 | 356 | 8.1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 24 | 115.3 | 9.0 |
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| 2nd & 7-9 | 82 | 7.95 | 6.16 | 30 | 160 | 5.3 | 1 | 7 | 33 | 48 | 68.8 | 345 | 7.2 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 20 | 94.5 | 6.5 |
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| 2nd & 10+ | 124 | 11.97 | 5.61 | 41 | 174 | 4.2 | 2 | 3 | 60 | 79 | 75.9 | 522 | 6.6 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 14 | 96.1 | 6.2 |
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| 3rd & 1-4 | 63 | 1.89 | 5.03 | 17 | 33 | 1.9 | 0 | 10 | 28 | 41 | 68.3 | 284 | 6.9 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 25 | 117.3 | 7.4 | |
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| 3rd & 4-6 | 51 | 5.20 | 3.86 | 5 | 36 | 7.2 | 0 | 2 | 25 | 39 | 64.1 | 161 | 4.1 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 16 | 81.3 | 3.9 |
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| 3rd & 7-9 | 42 | 8.10 | 4.55 | 4 | 11 | 2.8 | 0 | 0 | 18 | 33 | 54.5 | 180 | 5.5 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 14 | 80.4 | 5.3 |
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| 3rd & 10+ | 48 | 13.71 | 5.15 | 5 | 34 | 6.8 | 0 | 1 | 21 | 38 | 55.3 | 213 | 5.6 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 7 | 69.3 | 4.4 | |
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| 4th & 1-4 | 16 | 1.31 | 1.25 | 6 | 1 | .2 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 10 | 50 | 19 | 1.9 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 95.8 | 5.9 |
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| 4th & 4-6 | 2 | 4.00 | | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | .0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 39.6 | .0 |
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| 4th & 7-9 | 1 | 8.00 | 34.00 | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 100 | 34 | 34.0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 158.3 | 54.0 |
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| 4th & 10+ | 2 | 10.50 | 2.00 | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 50 | 4 | 2.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 56.3 | 2.0 |
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| 3rd/4th & short | 79 | 1.77 | 4.27 | 23 | 34 | 1.5 | 0 | 14 | 33 | 51 | 64.7 | 303 | 5.9 | 7 | 1 | 5 | 29 | 112.2 | 7.1 |
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