I think regardless, Mike Zimmer isn't going to coach more than 2 years. The job is taking time off his life and he's not handling it in a healthy way.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ suncoastvike said:
It is the best option in my opinion. We are kinda in that coaching limbo. Zimmer has to win next year to get another. Continuity will be important towards doing that. Again...imo.
Sure others wanted to blow it all up and start fresh. That really wasn't an choice for me. If we fail next year it's time.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ AGRforever said:
Im much more confident we make the playoffs next year then I was this year. How many wins do yall think Zimmer needs to keep his job? 8-8, 10-6? A playoff win? Super Bowl?
Playoff I think are a must. If at the end of year 6 you only have 2 appearances and 1 win you are not doing your job. So that said is a wild card and a one and done enough? I say no but it's not my team. I like Zimmer but I'm not enamored by his personality or results so far.
Playoffs or bust. One playoff win security is probably assured. I would have no problem with him getting a new contract then.
If Zimmer was a younger man I would be willing to give him a lot of rope the way that the Steelers do with their coaches. But he isn't and as you say two playoff appearances and one playoff win..... I guess I don't see why he gets so much love from Viking fans. The fact is that the guy just isn't getting it done. I think early on there were so many callbacks in people's minds to Bud Grant that people genuinely want him to be the coach. But he's no Bud Grant. Maybe Stefanski is the worth looking at as a potential future head coach?
Callbacks to Bud? Perhaps someone had that impression and now is reacting to that fallacy.
Zimmer is a damn good coach. We have good character players and they play well for him. He has brought the teaching concept to our coaches. It is funny how short sighted people are and want to join the ranks of Cleveland trying on a new regime every 6 months to a year.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
If Zimmer was a younger man I would be willing to give him a lot of rope the way that the Steelers do with their coaches. But he isn't and as you say two playoff appearances and one playoff win..... I guess I don't see why he gets so much love from Viking fans. The fact is that the guy just isn't getting it done. I think early on there were so many callbacks in people's minds to Bud Grant that people genuinely want him to be the coach. But he's no Bud Grant. Maybe Stefanski is the worth looking at as a potential future head coach?
Hi Mike, you have to remember that this team was a total mess when he took over. There was no pride or direction on defense and the offense was just ridiculously bad.
While Zim hasn't brought us a #1 dominating defense like Denver had to win a SB with Manning, he has risen the team to be respected at least. The defense is way better now than when he started, and he did what he said he'd do. He's not like Childress stating he'd give fans this "KAO", and only see the offense horribly sputter and fail.
Zim isn't as good as we hoped, I agree, but he has changed the image of the team to be respected again. I'll give him that. Hopefully next season we're even more proud of this team, but I also have my doubts on that. Maybe this team has peaked, but maybe not.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ Mike Olson said:
If Zimmer was a younger man I would be willing to give him a lot of rope the way that the Steelers do with their coaches. But he isn't and as you say two playoff appearances and one playoff win..... I guess I don't see why he gets so much love from Viking fans. The fact is that the guy just isn't getting it done. I think early on there were so many callbacks in people's minds to Bud Grant that people genuinely want him to be the coach. But he's no Bud Grant. Maybe Stefanski is the worth looking at as a potential future head coach?
Hi Mike, you have to remember that this team was a total mess when he took over. There was no pride or direction on defense and the offense was just ridiculously bad.
While Zim hasn't brought us a #1 dominating defense like Denver had to win a SB with Manning, he has risen the team to be respected at least. The defense is way better now than when he started, and he did what he said he'd do. He's not like Childress stating he'd give fans this "KAO", and only see the offense horribly sputter and fail.
Zim isn't as good as we hoped, I agree, but he has changed the image of the team to be respected again. I'll give him that. Hopefully next season we're even more proud of this team, but I also have my doubts on that. Maybe this team has peaked, but maybe not.
Well said HV and this is exactly how I feel. We aren't as good as I want us to be, but we are waaaaay better than we used to be.
Grass could always be greener, but it could definitely be browner too.
Zim has earned one more year. If we miss the playoffs then moves will be made I bet.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ suncoastvike said:
It is the best option in my opinion. We are kinda in that coaching limbo. Zimmer has to win next year to get another. Continuity will be important towards doing that. Again...imo.
Sure others wanted to blow it all up and start fresh. That really wasn't an choice for me. If we fail next year it's time.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ AGRforever said:
Im much more confident we make the playoffs next year then I was this year. How many wins do yall think Zimmer needs to keep his job? 8-8, 10-6? A playoff win? Super Bowl?
Playoff I think are a must. If at the end of year 6 you only have 2 appearances and 1 win you are not doing your job. So that said is a wild card and a one and done enough? I say no but it's not my team. I like Zimmer but I'm not enamored by his personality or results so far.
Playoffs or bust. One playoff win security is probably assured. I would have no problem with him getting a new contract then.
If Zimmer was a younger man I would be willing to give him a lot of rope the way that the Steelers do with their coaches. But he isn't and as you say two playoff appearances and one playoff win..... I guess I don't see why he gets so much love from Viking fans. The fact is that the guy just isn't getting it done. I think early on there were so many callbacks in people's minds to Bud Grant that people genuinely want him to be the coach. But he's no Bud Grant. Maybe Stefanski is the worth looking at as a potential future head coach?
Yeah I said it like I would be ''OK'' if the choose to keep him if he wins a playoff game. I would also be ok if they or he chose to part ways. OK is not super excited.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ suncoastvike said:
It is the best option in my opinion. We are kinda in that coaching limbo. Zimmer has to win next year to get another. Continuity will be important towards doing that. Again...imo.
Sure others wanted to blow it all up and start fresh. That really wasn't an choice for me. If we fail next year it's time.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ AGRforever said:
Im much more confident we make the playoffs next year then I was this year. How many wins do yall think Zimmer needs to keep his job? 8-8, 10-6? A playoff win? Super Bowl?
Playoff I think are a must. If at the end of year 6 you only have 2 appearances and 1 win you are not doing your job. So that said is a wild card and a one and done enough? I say no but it's not my team. I like Zimmer but I'm not enamored by his personality or results so far.
Playoffs or bust. One playoff win security is probably assured. I would have no problem with him getting a new contract then.
If Zimmer was a younger man I would be willing to give him a lot of rope the way that the Steelers do with their coaches. But he isn't and as you say two playoff appearances and one playoff win..... I guess I don't see why he gets so much love from Viking fans. The fact is that the guy just isn't getting it done. I think early on there were so many callbacks in people's minds to Bud Grant that people genuinely want him to be the coach. But he's no Bud Grant. Maybe Stefanski is the worth looking at as a potential future head coach?
Callbacks to Bud? Perhaps someone had that impression and now is reacting to that fallacy.
Zimmer is a damn good coach. We have good character players and they play well for him. He has brought the teaching concept to our coaches. It is funny how short sighted people are and want to join the ranks of Cleveland trying on a new regime every 6 months to a year.
Absolutely people were comparing his nature to bud. I could query the old databases and pull up some of the threads but it would take a bit of work. But they were there.
Hey I like having good character guys as much as anyone. But facts is facts. he isn't getting it done. Sure we've won a couple division titles, but is that what this is about?
While we are at it let's take a look at an even bigger picture. We haven't done a whole lot with the Wilf's running the team. I am not trying to be a downer but at some point we need to see more than what we have.
Not sure how it is that some fans that question exactly where the team is right now under Zimmer are somehow 'short sighted'. This is going to be his 6th year and what does the team have to show for it? A 1-2 playoff record and an ass kicking in the NFCC game. But the history of the Vikings is one that is really an enigma: many very good regular seasons, fun, entertaining and successful that always end in bitter defeat in some way in the playoffs. Never won a Superbowl. For a franchise that's never won one, their regular season record overall is quite good historically. Makes it all the more disappointing, IMO. Paper tigers when it comes to winning it all ultimately. And the endings have been BRUTAL, which goes without saying for all the long timers.
But at some point, don't you have to want and demand more? I really don't care about the 'high character' players and other fluffy B.S. Doesn't mean that much to me. I'm not a fan of the Vikings because they are the 'Mr. Congeniality' award winners of the NFL. Not saying Zimmer can't get it done, maybe he can. But I think 2019 is going to be the line in the sand for him and rightfully so. I mean, how easily fans forget that 2018 was supposed to be THE year for the Vikings. And they didn't even make the playoffs.
I would also counter in addition to the improvements on defense, Coach Zimmer has guided the team through a boatload of adversity as well as faced some of his own. I mean he had 8 eye surgeries. Yeah I know, injuries are not excuses but facts of life and next man up. But seriously with all this team as been through with him at the helm, I would definitely say it is time for things to turn. And the injuries have been to very critical conditions. So there is the adjust period to next man up and the search for team identity. Now is the time to rise up and kick some serious ass.
Lets hope 2018 was 1972 revisited...
And yah - after all these decades of being a fan, I'd like for all of us to enjoy at least one SB win in our lifetimes.
I saw a stat where The Vikings franchise is one of the top 4 in the last 10 or 20 years in terms of playoff appearances and thats no small feat.
But we all know that winning Division Titles and losing in CG's don't cut it anymore.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ greediron said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ suncoastvike said:
It is the best option in my opinion. We are kinda in that coaching limbo. Zimmer has to win next year to get another. Continuity will be important towards doing that. Again...imo.
Sure others wanted to blow it all up and start fresh. That really wasn't an choice for me. If we fail next year it's time.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ AGRforever said:
Im much more confident we make the playoffs next year then I was this year. How many wins do yall think Zimmer needs to keep his job? 8-8, 10-6? A playoff win? Super Bowl?
Playoff I think are a must. If at the end of year 6 you only have 2 appearances and 1 win you are not doing your job. So that said is a wild card and a one and done enough? I say no but it's not my team. I like Zimmer but I'm not enamored by his personality or results so far.
Playoffs or bust. One playoff win security is probably assured. I would have no problem with him getting a new contract then.
If Zimmer was a younger man I would be willing to give him a lot of rope the way that the Steelers do with their coaches. But he isn't and as you say two playoff appearances and one playoff win..... I guess I don't see why he gets so much love from Viking fans. The fact is that the guy just isn't getting it done. I think early on there were so many callbacks in people's minds to Bud Grant that people genuinely want him to be the coach. But he's no Bud Grant. Maybe Stefanski is the worth looking at as a potential future head coach?
Callbacks to Bud? Perhaps someone had that impression and now is reacting to that fallacy.
Zimmer is a damn good coach. We have good character players and they play well for him. He has brought the teaching concept to our coaches. It is funny how short sighted people are and want to join the ranks of Cleveland trying on a new regime every 6 months to a year.
Absolutely people were comparing his nature to bud. I could query the old databases and pull up some of the threads but it would take a bit of work. But they were there.
Hey I like having good character guys as much as anyone. But facts is facts. he isn't getting it done. Sure we've won a couple division titles, but is that what this is about?
While we are at it let's take a look at an even bigger picture. We haven't done a whole lot with the Wilf's running the team. I am not trying to be a downer but at some point we need to see more than what we have.
Ultimately Bud didn't get it done either. But during his era, we were always competitive, exciting and knew what to expect from his teams. So Zimmer seems to fit that quite well. I know people compared him to Bud. But what does that have to do anything? And what does his age have anything to do with it? He has been a very good coach and I just don't understand the desire to run him out of town. If we can just get the offense fixed (offensive line and consistency at the OC) then I think we will see the results.
His defense is in the top echelon every year. He is honest and actually cares about his players and despite being a bit of a hard ass, has support of the players. We have a good locker room, aren't embarrassed by scandals or other off-field crap. He navigated the player protests last year without hardly a peep about it. From either side. The players stayed united and focused while teams like Oakland, SF and Seattle fell apart last year. That speaks of tremendous leadership. He didn't squash anyone, anger any side or force his will, he just led them through all that without losing focus of being a team.
He is an innovator on D. Other teams copy his defense, but he is always a step ahead. Damn I miss the Les is Less Frazier cover no one defense. Or the Childress hypocrite hardass my way or the highway unless you are really important then I will make exceptions way of leading the team. Or the Mike Tice lovable dunderhead and cheap ass sitting on his spurs McCombs era.
What the hell is wrong with a little consistency in the leadership. No we haven't won a superbowl, but the seasons are a hell of a lot more fun than those eras and we didn't win any superbowls there either.
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