Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I tend to think if Kaepernick were not a person of color protesting racial injustice--if he were, say, a white man kneeling in protest of elder abuse or puppy mills, nobody would have a problem with it. This isn't about the flag or the anthem. Those are just symbols, not unlike a football jersey, we use to show our support. But at the end of the day, it's mostly empty. How many flags have we worn as bandanas, how many times have we put mustard on our hot dogs while the anthem is playing? I don't see too many folks bitching about that. REAL patriotism is about understanding and appreciating and protecting what those things represent: like freedom, the freedom of speech, due process, the freedom to protest peacefully. Those are the things that make America great, not a piece of cloth or a song.
Agree to an extent. Except the flag drapes the coffins of those who have sacrificed everything to protect those freedoms.
My issue with Kaep is that I don't believe him. He was being a putz trying to force his way out of SF. And IMO he made up the reason he was SITTING for the anthem. He was continually asked why and finally made up the reason that he couldn't stand for the flag because of racial injustice. He is dishonest and then became a poster boy for a leftist cause. And to be paid millions to be the face of the "sacrifice everything" ad is just moronic.
That's kinda funny that you think he lied and made up the reason, when he explained exactly why after the second time he sat. Why would that make him dishonest? This is his direct quote:
Kaepernick said that he has thought about going public with his feelings for a while but that "I felt that I needed to understand the situation better."
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
As for the flag and the veterans, Kap said this: "I have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country. I have family, I have friends that have gone and fought for this country. And they fight for freedom, they fight for the people, they fight for liberty and justice, for everyone. That’s not happening. People are dying in vain because this country isn’t holding their end of the bargain up, as far as giving freedom and justice, liberty to everybody. That’s something that’s not happening. I’ve seen videos, I’ve seen circumstances where men and women that have been in the military have come back and been treated unjustly by the country they fought have for, and have been murdered by the country they fought for, on our land. That’s not right."
And for someone who was supposedly dishonest, he donated $1 million of his own money to prove it was more than lip service, before he became the face of the latest Nike campaign.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I tend to think if Kaepernick were not a person of color protesting racial injustice--if he were, say, a white man kneeling in protest of elder abuse or puppy mills, nobody would have a problem with it. This isn't about the flag or the anthem. Those are just symbols, not unlike a football jersey, we use to show our support. But at the end of the day, it's mostly empty. How many flags have we worn as bandanas, how many times have we put mustard on our hot dogs while the anthem is playing? I don't see too many folks bitching about that. REAL patriotism is about understanding and appreciating and protecting what those things represent: like freedom, the freedom of speech, due process, the freedom to protest peacefully. Those are the things that make America great, not a piece of cloth or a song.
Agree to an extent. Except the flag drapes the coffins of those who have sacrificed everything to protect those freedoms.
My issue with Kaep is that I don't believe him. He was being a putz trying to force his way out of SF. And IMO he made up the reason he was SITTING for the anthem. He was continually asked why and finally made up the reason that he couldn't stand for the flag because of racial injustice. He is dishonest and then became a poster boy for a leftist cause. And to be paid millions to be the face of the "sacrifice everything" ad is just moronic.
That's kinda funny that you think he lied and made up the reason, when he explained exactly why after the second time he sat. Why would that make him dishonest? This is his direct quote:
Kaepernick said that he has thought about going public with his feelings for a while but that "I felt that I needed to understand the situation better."
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
As for the flag and the veterans, Kap said this: "I have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country. I have family, I have friends that have gone and fought for this country. And they fight for freedom, they fight for the people, they fight for liberty and justice, for everyone. That’s not happening. People are dying in vain because this country isn’t holding their end of the bargain up, as far as giving freedom and justice, liberty to everybody. That’s something that’s not happening. I’ve seen videos, I’ve seen circumstances where men and women that have been in the military have come back and been treated unjustly by the country they fought have for, and have been murdered by the country they fought for, on our land. That’s not right."
And for someone who was supposedly dishonest, he donated $1 million of his own money to prove it was more than lip service, before he became the face of the latest Nike campaign.
Cuz that is a pretty brazen lie. Perhaps he should have sat and thought on it a bit longer. Cops get paid leave when there is an investigation, just like he got paid if he is hurt or not performing as he should. most every shooting that has been promoted by the media has been justified.
IMO he sat to force the 49ers hand. When they didn't budge, he had to come up with something. That is my opinion of why he is dishonest about it. He sucked and got benched. Then he pouted and wanted to be released after they had paid him lots of money. So no, I don't believe him.
It's not a lie just because you disagree. "Most" every shooting has been justified. MOST. So then you agree not ALL. So you admit that there has been some shootings that were not justified. And that's the problem - when a cop kills a civilian and it's not justified, then he needs to face charges. That's the problem, very seldom do cops face any charges when they kill someone without justification. That's what has the black community angry.
I was in college when the cops from the Rodney King beating were acquitted, that was a mockery of justice watching a bunch of white officers nearly beat a man to death and yet still be acquitted despite video evidence. Philandro Castile in MN - unnecessary tragedy shot 5 times after being pulled over for a broken taillight. Paramedics took 10 minutes to arrive, and the cops on the scene didn't even attempt any CPR or first aid efforts to a dying black man, instead they went and comforted the white cop who just killed a man in front of his 4 year old. The charges resulted in an acquittal. So yes, there are cops literally getting away with murder in this country and until they start being held accountable for their mistakes, the black community will continue to be upset about police brutality against people of color, and rightfully so.
Quote: @prairieghost said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I tend to think if Kaepernick were not a person of color protesting racial injustice--if he were, say, a white man kneeling in protest of elder abuse or puppy mills, nobody would have a problem with it. This isn't about the flag or the anthem. Those are just symbols, not unlike a football jersey, we use to show our support. But at the end of the day, it's mostly empty. How many flags have we worn as bandanas, how many times have we put mustard on our hot dogs while the anthem is playing? I don't see too many folks bitching about that. REAL patriotism is about understanding and appreciating and protecting what those things represent: like freedom, the freedom of speech, due process, the freedom to protest peacefully. Those are the things that make America great, not a piece of cloth or a song.
Agree to an extent. Except the flag drapes the coffins of those who have sacrificed everything to protect those freedoms.
My issue with Kaep is that I don't believe him. He was being a putz trying to force his way out of SF. And IMO he made up the reason he was SITTING for the anthem. He was continually asked why and finally made up the reason that he couldn't stand for the flag because of racial injustice. He is dishonest and then became a poster boy for a leftist cause. And to be paid millions to be the face of the "sacrifice everything" ad is just moronic.
I wonder if Kaep is willing to sacrifice those millions from Nike to forward his cause? To go from simply kneeling during the anthem in an NFL stadium (which he can no longer partake in anyway) to actually bringing about some real change with those dollars?? He has brought awareness to the issue. Now, how about using the money he is paid to champion that issue toward starting some real change??
Considering that he's already donated over a million dollars to 41 different charities, I'm curious why this is such a concern.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
It's not a lie just because you disagree. "Most" every shooting has been justified. MOST. So then you agree not ALL. So you admit that there has been some shootings that were not justified. And that's the problem - when a cop kills a civilian and it's not justified, then he needs to face charges. That's the problem, very seldom do cops face any charges when they kill someone without justification. That's what has the black community angry.
I was in college when the cops from the Rodney King beating were acquitted, that was a mockery of justice watching a bunch of white officers nearly beat a man to death and yet still be acquitted despite video evidence. Philandro Castile in MN - unnecessary tragedy shot 5 times after being pulled over for a broken taillight. Paramedics took 10 minutes to arrive, and the cops on the scene didn't even attempt any CPR or first aid efforts to a dying black man, instead they went and comforted the white cop who just killed a man in front of his 4 year old. The charges resulted in an acquittal. So yes, there are cops literally getting away with murder in this country and until they start being held accountable for their mistakes, the black community will continue to be upset about police brutality against people of color, and rightfully so.
I would disagree on that. You even point out that the officers in the Rodney King beating faced charges. They were acquitted by a jury. Now I won't argue that the jury was right, I have really studied that case. But they faced charges. Most do. Many face charges even when it is clearly justified, ala Brown in Ferguson. So to say that murders walk the streets while getting paid leave is quite the stretch.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
It's not a lie just because you disagree. "Most" every shooting has been justified. MOST. So then you agree not ALL. So you admit that there has been some shootings that were not justified. And that's the problem - when a cop kills a civilian and it's not justified, then he needs to face charges. That's the problem, very seldom do cops face any charges when they kill someone without justification. That's what has the black community angry.
I was in college when the cops from the Rodney King beating were acquitted, that was a mockery of justice watching a bunch of white officers nearly beat a man to death and yet still be acquitted despite video evidence. Philandro Castile in MN - unnecessary tragedy shot 5 times after being pulled over for a broken taillight. Paramedics took 10 minutes to arrive, and the cops on the scene didn't even attempt any CPR or first aid efforts to a dying black man, instead they went and comforted the white cop who just killed a man in front of his 4 year old. The charges resulted in an acquittal. So yes, there are cops literally getting away with murder in this country and until they start being held accountable for their mistakes, the black community will continue to be upset about police brutality against people of color, and rightfully so.
This encapsulates many reasons why Kaepernick’s stance is not only bulls#it but destructive. Kap’s stance is that police are out killing people because of the color of their skin and/or beating people for the same reason. Every legitimate study on the subjects contradicts these claims. Race is continuously shown to not be a factor.
First off SF, every single officer involved shooting in the United States is investigated using science and reason and reviewed by a prosecutor(s) and often a Grand Jury. The government makes a decision on if there is evidence a crime has been committed and takes appropriate actions. Occassionally the federal government will review an incident as well. Police Officers are not let off. That is a silly belief based on no evidence. Why do people get confused? More often than not there is little of the evidence publicly known. What is known are often false rumors and assumptions not based in fact. There is also a tremendous amount of ignorance of the law when it comes to police procedure as well as case law involved in shootings. On top of that, you get lawyers, professional aggitators, and media personalities working people up. They often know the law yet choose to agitate anyhow.
On shootings found to be not justified officers are arrested and face the courts. The conviction rate is roughly 35%. This does not imply there is a trouble with the sysytem. The evidence for conviction is not adequate or charges were politically motivated (happens more than people realize). Contrary to your belief police are nearly always charged when they are found to have acted outside of the law. Prosectors and legal professionals make those decisions. Neither your ignorant opinion or other bias opinion are relavent to the law or reality. So your claim is not based in reality and you are perpetuating a falsehood that strains law enforcement and community relations.
Rodney King case took place 27 years ago and you clearly don’t know much about the case other than headlines. You obviously don’t know that the tv station edited the video and it was the portion they left out that played the biggest role in the acquittal. It’s also unlikely that you know two of the officers were convicted at the federal level. The officers involved utilized a tactic called a “swarm” when four of them were unable to control King despite him being tazed more than once. Personally, I dont like the tactic with batons and I believed they stopped it. Either way, context and facts matter. I’d recommend you learn more about the case. I’d give the same advice on the other case you mentioned.
Philandro Castille was armed. He had a pistol right at his fingertips. He did not follow orders and reached for it or his wallet. It is tragic that this happened and the officer may have overreacted or could have used different tactics. However, that has nothing to do with the proving guilt in the shooting. The man had a gun and reached for it despite being repeatedly told not to that’s what the law looks at. The officer is not a “white cop”. Not that it matters at all but he isn’t.
Black Lives Matter came out of the unrest after the Michael Brown shooting in Missouri. We were subjected to months of lies from fake witnesses, the media, and politicians. “Hands up don’t shoot” is based on make believe. We have had riots throughout various cities that go back to this event. Falsehoods are the foundation of all of it. Now, science has proven that everything the officer said happened in fact did. That’s not opinion it is scientific fact. Despite this, people still believe the nonsense.
The idea that police officers are out wanting to shoot people based on something as trivial as skin color is absurd and destructive. The worst part of these lies that Kaepernick spews is that those most hurt by it are our most vulnerable in our inner cities. These ignorant jack wagons have pushed it to the point that police officers in those areas have essentially stopped being able to do proactive policing. This makes areas, already as dangerous as some war zones less safe. There are people scared of being shot in those communities and it sure isnt the police they need to worry about. Everything is FUBAR.
When a 3 year old is shot in the head through his home while sleeping at 2 am, it sure as hell isn’t Colin Kaepernick showing up to deal with the atrocity and heartbreak. Showing up are the few people who not only care but put there lives on the line every single day for not great wages.
Colin Kaepernick is an ignorant charlatan. He ignores evidence purposely. In my opinion he has a deep seeded narcissistic need to be relavent and revered in the civil rights movement. He has risked absolutely nothing. The Nike screed is simply stupid.
Here are some facts for you. Something you need to understand is it’s not skin color causing this.
A police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black person.
Black people are more likely per capita to be shot by the police (what a shock)
Between 1980-2008 black persons were responsible for 52% of all homicides in this country. Many like to point to them only having 13% of the population but its not primarily women committing these crimes. So we’re talking about 6.5% of the population.
There are approximately 765k officers in the US. Maybe on the high end 500k that regularly come into contact with the public. There are 50,000+ felony assaults against them every year. Police have an estimated contact with the public of over 100 million each year. There are shootings very rarely and exceptionally rare for a questionable shooting.
Yet it is not skin color that dictates this. Skin color is happenstance. The truth lies in poverty and other issues. Colin Kaepernick distracts from this with lies.
To put his lies in perspective, its like 2 soldiers in Iraq killing innocents and then blaming all US military for their hatred and oppression. It seriously is that stupid.
So while places like Chicago have a soul crushing number of shootings every day, the focus is on something that simply does not exist. How messed up is that? Apparently we now live in a world where destructive ignorance is rewarded with multi-million dollar contract and science and reality are ignored.
Quote: @greediron said:
Or turning Pat into a weapon. Sorry, I don't see contrasting Pat's decision to sacrifice it all with Kaep's decision to sacrifice a little and get paid a lot as "weaponizing" or using him as a political tool. It is just showing the stupidity and irony of the Nike Ad.
I like the memes mocking them. Especially the Dolezal, trump and then the "just do it. for $.23 and hour"
I guess his wife disagree with you.
Sorry Havoc but that is complete nonsense. Race isn't a factor in any case of police brutality or killings? That is utter bull. Castile was shot for following orders. First he was told to produce his ID and insurance. He gave his insurance card, the cop tucked into his pocket and asked to see his driver's license. As a CCP holder, I've always been taught to notify a police officer if I'm carrying so he doesn't get spooked if he sees my gun. Castile had his CCP and told the officer, "Sir, I do have a firearm on me". The cop then put his hand on the holster and said "Well don't pull it out". Castile replied, "I'm not pulling it out". Before the cop even finished yelling hands up, he fired 7 shots. Castile did everything he could do to avoid being shot and still got killed for following directions. He never reached for his gun, and at the time he was shot he had has hands raised in a defensive position to show the cop he wasn't reaching. If he was a white guy, would the officer had been so quick to fear for his life? Who knows, but I'd bet no. And as for the cops who beat Rodney King and were acquitted, give me a break. On no planet was their use of excessive force justified and yes I did see the entire video but thanks for the assumption I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't care what you saw before or after, I watched a man beaten and tazed and beaten for several minutes and all he did was try to put his hands up to avoid another baton to the face and skull - exactly what any reasonable person would do trying to defend themselves from being beaten to death.
Sorry, you obviously live in a fantasy world of white privilege where you don't think racism exists, 100% of all cops are law-abiding citizens and don't profile people based on skin color, and at no time would a person's skin color dictate how a cop acts because you somehow think it's impossible for a cop to be racist or to react towards people of color differently. This is our problem in America - white people want to pretend racism doesn't exist and that every cop is justified in killing a person of color. Sure cops get charged but the vast majority end in acquittals. We'll see what happens with the white female cop in Dallas who mistakenly entered the wrong apartment yesterday, and then shot and killed a black man in his own home thinking he was an intruder in her home.
Cops are no different than any other segment of society ... 99% are good people, and some aren't. But like anyone else, cops don't deserve to be above the law if they kill or beat someone and it's unjustified. And if you don't think that people of color are treated differently I don't know what to tell you other than you're part of the problem. Sheriff Joe in Arizona is a prime example of a cop illegally using racial profiling and treating people of color like animals, he was convicted, only to be pardoned by our jagoff racist President - so once again, no consequences even when they bad cops are found guilty.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ prairieghost said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I tend to think if Kaepernick were not a person of color protesting racial injustice--if he were, say, a white man kneeling in protest of elder abuse or puppy mills, nobody would have a problem with it. This isn't about the flag or the anthem. Those are just symbols, not unlike a football jersey, we use to show our support. But at the end of the day, it's mostly empty. How many flags have we worn as bandanas, how many times have we put mustard on our hot dogs while the anthem is playing? I don't see too many folks bitching about that. REAL patriotism is about understanding and appreciating and protecting what those things represent: like freedom, the freedom of speech, due process, the freedom to protest peacefully. Those are the things that make America great, not a piece of cloth or a song.
Agree to an extent. Except the flag drapes the coffins of those who have sacrificed everything to protect those freedoms.
My issue with Kaep is that I don't believe him. He was being a putz trying to force his way out of SF. And IMO he made up the reason he was SITTING for the anthem. He was continually asked why and finally made up the reason that he couldn't stand for the flag because of racial injustice. He is dishonest and then became a poster boy for a leftist cause. And to be paid millions to be the face of the "sacrifice everything" ad is just moronic.
I wonder if Kaep is willing to sacrifice those millions from Nike to forward his cause? To go from simply kneeling during the anthem in an NFL stadium (which he can no longer partake in anyway) to actually bringing about some real change with those dollars?? He has brought awareness to the issue. Now, how about using the money he is paid to champion that issue toward starting some real change??
Considering that he's already donated over a million dollars to 41 different charities, I'm curious why this is such a concern.
Well, if he can donate to "41 different charities" then I'd think he could find a way to use his Nike money to further the cause, right?
I really don't care what Kaep does with his Nike money. I just thought it would be nice to see him do something besides his infamous kneel, y'know?
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ greediron said:
Or turning Pat into a weapon. Sorry, I don't see contrasting Pat's decision to sacrifice it all with Kaep's decision to sacrifice a little and get paid a lot as "weaponizing" or using him as a political tool. It is just showing the stupidity and irony of the Nike Ad.
I like the memes mocking them. Especially the Dolezal, trump and then the "just do it. for $.23 and hour"
I guess his wife disagree with you.
well la-ti-da.
The writer lectures us to not use Pat as a political tool, then he turns and does it. Hypocrite would be the right name. And saying "there is a man who did sacrifice it all" in response to a stupid ad claiming Kaep did is hardly using him as a political tool. It is just saying Nike doesn't know shit.
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