Quote: @StickyBun said:
Stats are stats. Fans will find pluses or minuses in them for their own preferences and they will tell a story for their point of view.
Here's what I'll say: what happened to all the people who said they'd get behind whomever Minnesota ends up signing? We all have our favorites, I guess, but I see some stronger opposition for Cousins with a few. Why? This decision would come after LONG consideration from the Viking's organization and input from the new offensive coordinator. Nothing is guaranteed, that's for sure. Risk for any choice.
Couldn't the same be asked of those banging the drum so soundly in favor of cousins? Some of the rhetoric about Sam, Teddy and even Case is rediculous. Or aren't the kissin cousins among those that said they would support whoever the leadership picks? This is going to be a debate until the decision is made....and no matter who gets signed there will always be the grass is greener scenarios that pop up....even though that lawn is full of dog shit. 
Quote: @NodakViking said:
His rating and QBR have regressed each of the three seasons and looking at stats/splits he plays worse when behind, as the season progresses and against division opponents and he ahs a career losing record.
It's seems some of the criticisms/concerns may have some merit-at least on the surface. What part is him and what part is his situation? IDK, but I hope they do.
well unfortunaley cinderella isnt avalible to sign. we either figure this out now or our window of historically great defense closes. keenum got us to the nfcc. it would have been interesting to see what the team woulda look like with cousins
I'm not saying that I'm not behind the guy, I'm saying there's some fairly glaring weaknesses in his game...and I didnt even bring up the alarming tendancy to fumble... do we want to pony up 28million plus for this guy, or does a good 8-10 million less a year for Keenum and Sheldon Richardson at 3T make us as better team...
I'm not picking a horse, though I've stated my position on an otherwise healthy Bridgewater (I feel he still has significant upside if the price is right which it should be). Whoever they pick I'm behind, I just hope they pick the right guy for the job. If you're committing franchise QB money and years to a guy he better be the right guy, no better way than to set a club back 5 years than to overcommit to a dud.
Nightmare scenario is a major commitment to a guy that can't get it done while a guy we let go(all QB's included) goes on to great success.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
Stats are stats. Fans will find pluses or minuses in them for their own preferences and they will tell a story for their point of view.
Here's what I'll say: what happened to all the people who said they'd get behind whomever Minnesota ends up signing? We all have our favorites, I guess, but I see some stronger opposition for Cousins with a few. Why? This decision would come after LONG consideration from the Viking's organization and input from the new offensive coordinator. Nothing is guaranteed, that's for sure. Risk for any choice.
Couldn't the same be asked of those banging the drum so soundly in favor of cousins? Some of the rhetoric about Sam, Teddy and even Case is rediculous. Or aren't the kissin cousins among those that said they would support whoever the leadership picks? This is going to be a debate until the decision is made....and no matter who gets signed there will always be the grass is greener scenarios that pop up....even though that lawn is full of dog shit.
I trust the process. And I'm trusting the process more and more as each minor decision is made leading up the big decision.
1. Do not sign Case Keenum before season's end, which many fans and media wanted. Check.
2. Do not sign any QB until you've had a chance to hire an OC, involve him in the decision, and watch a ton of film of each option and how that option fits into the new offense. Check. So far, so good anyway.
As long as they make their decision based on objective analysis and thoughtful debate, I trust they'll make a good decision.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
Stats are stats. Fans will find pluses or minuses in them for their own preferences and they will tell a story for their point of view.
Here's what I'll say: what happened to all the people who said they'd get behind whomever Minnesota ends up signing? We all have our favorites, I guess, but I see some stronger opposition for Cousins with a few. Why? This decision would come after LONG consideration from the Viking's organization and input from the new offensive coordinator. Nothing is guaranteed, that's for sure. Risk for any choice.
Couldn't the same be asked of those banging the drum so soundly in favor of cousins? Some of the rhetoric about Sam, Teddy and even Case is rediculous. Or aren't the kissin cousins among those that said they would support whoever the leadership picks? This is going to be a debate until the decision is made....and no matter who gets signed there will always be the grass is greener scenarios that pop up....even though that lawn is full of dog shit.
I trust the process. And I'm trusting the process more and more as each minor decision is made leading up the big decision.
1. Do not sign Case Keenum before season's end, which many fans and media wanted. Check.
2. Do not sign any QB until you've had a chance to hire an OC, involve him in the decision, and watch a ton of film of each option and how that option fits into the new offense. Check. So far, so good anyway.
As long as they make their decision based on objective analysis and thoughtful debate, I trust they'll make a good decision.
they appear to have taken emotion out of the equation to this point in terms of not resigning any of our guys until they are ready and have had the opportunity to really find out what cousins team is looking for. ( i would bet they already know, but they cant talk about that yet)
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
I'm not saying that I'm not behind the guy, I'm saying there's some fairly glaring weaknesses in his game...and I didnt even bring up the alarming tendancy to fumble... do we want to pony up 28million plus for this guy, or does a good 8-10 million less a year for Keenum and Sheldon Richardson at 3T make us as better team...
If you don't try to get the QB spot correct, the rest won't matter that much. And there's no guarantee that signing Keenum will get us Richardson, its not like its a direct 100% correlative effect. But I completely understand that Cousins wouldn't come without some warts and questions.
As great as the 13 win season was, the team was one miracle play from going one and done at home in the playoffs....and then got ANNIHILATED in Philly. I guess my original point stands, if they truly do pursue Cousins hard as their top choice, aren't they the ones with the most intimate knowledge about the participants? Especially with Flip now on board? Heck, they might not even be interested in Cousins, who knows? But it would appear that they are.
No, signing Case doesn't mean we get Richardson, but it does mean (probably) that you still have the cap space to go after him or Sitton...
I guess I'm more willing to put my faith in Case, what the trend analysis shows, and the cap flexibility, than Cousins with his 30 fumbles in the last three years, grounding the ball on 4th down, and routinely channelling his inner Tony Romo...
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
I'm not saying that I'm not behind the guy, I'm saying there's some fairly glaring weaknesses in his game...and I didnt even bring up the alarming tendancy to fumble... do we want to pony up 28million plus for this guy, or does a good 8-10 million less a year for Keenum and Sheldon Richardson at 3T make us as better team...
This fumbling issue is kind of comical to me. The dude is getting hit from behind (most of the time) by much larger dudes and some of them are stripping the ball. I never put those fumbles on the QB. I put it on the offensive lineman who did not do their jobs. Keenum fumbled vs the Eagles in the red zone. Was not his fault. Brady fumbled at the end of the game in the Super Bowl. Was not his fault.
I am certain that many of the fumbles (some in the red zone) that Kirk has had are not his fault.
I only care about the lost fumbles and most of the time, if I were coaching, I would be yelling at the offensive lineman.
Kirk has 94 TDs and 47 total turnovers (lost fumbles only) the last 3 years (which happen to be his first 3 years starting) which puts him in the top 6 of all QBs in the NFL during that time.
That is pretty freaking good especially when you consider the lack of a running game and that they did not re-sign his top two receivers in 2017.
Imagine Case or Teddy or anyone coming here but the Vikings let Diggs and Thielen go.
The 94 TDs is the most important stat. If he could bring that to this defense then it could be dominant!
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