Fun with stats Kirk Cousins

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Kirk Cousins has thrown for over 4,000 yards and 25 TDs with an INT percentage under 2.5% each of the past three seasons.

The #Vikings have had three such seasons in their 57 years of being an NFL franchise.

Eric Thompson@eric_j_thompson

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Viking fans have gotten so used to shitty QB play over the past 40 years that a warm body that throws 5 yard completions is a hero.

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His rating and QBR have regressed each of the three seasons and looking at stats/splits he plays worse when behind, as the season progresses and against division opponents and he ahs a career losing record.


It's seems some of the criticisms/concerns may have some merit-at least on the surface.  What part is him and what part is his situation?  IDK, but I hope they do.

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On the Flip side he's dealt with a progressively worse cast of characters on both sides of the ball playing QB for an Owner still smarting over the RGIII debacle.

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@NodakViking said:
His rating and QBR have regressed each of the three seasons and looking at stats/splits he plays worse when behind, as the season progresses and against division opponents and he ahs a career losing record.


It's seems some of the criticisms/concerns may have some merit-at least on the surface.  What part is him and what part is his situation?  IDK, but I hope they do.

Where does it show he plays bad from behind?

Here is one year which was last year after losing his top two WRs and having very little running game ...
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/situationalstats?season=2017
In 2016 his stats are pretty dang good when playing from behind
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/situationalstats?season=2016
In 2015 his stats were good when playing from behind
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/situationalstats?season=2015


http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/careerstats
His first year starting was 2015 and he completed 69.8% of his passes for 4,166 yards with 29 TDs and 11 INTs.  His rating was 101.6.
His second year starting was 2016 and he completed 67% of his passes for 4,917 yards with 25 TDs and 12 INTs.  His rating was 97.2.
His third year starting was 2017 and he completed 64% of his passes for
4,093 yards with 27 TDs and 13 INTs.  His rating was 93.9.


Aaron Rodgers started in his 4th season as well.
http://www.nfl.com/player/aaronrodgers/2506363/careerstats
His first year starting was 2008 and he completed 63.6% of his passes
for 4,038 yards with 28 TDs and 13 INTs.  His rating was 93.8.
His
second year starting was 2009 and he completed 64.7% of his passes for
4,434 yards with 30 TDs and 7 INTs.  His rating was 103.2.
His third year starting was 2010 and he completed 65.7% of his passes for 3,922 yards with 28 TDs and 11 INTs.  His rating was 101.2.


Now Cousins is not Rodgers and the Packers did win the Super Bowl in that 2010 season.  Their defense was #2 in points allowed per game and #5 in yards allowed per game and had the #2 number of interceptions at 24.

Cousins did not have much of a defense at all the last 3 years.  They gave up between 23 and 24 points on average per year.


Now some will make the inane argument that he was putting up garbage time stats.  Well, if the defense cannot stop anyone then he has to try to score more. 

All I know is that he got them to the playoffs in 2015, his first season starting every game and they should have made the playoffs in 2016 if the lousy defense could have protected a 17-13 lead with 1:05 left in a game vs the Lions and if the kicker could have made a 23 yard field goal in overtime vs the Bengals.  Instead of finishing 8-7-1 they should or could have been 10-6 and back in the playoffs again.  Last year they did not re-sign his two leading receivers and offered no running game. 

How anyone can blame him for last year is a mystery.


It seems that there is some bias against Cousins and people want to bring up imaginary stats that really do not tell the whole story.  I think the bias is that many (not saying you) are pro Teddy and really want to see him run this team.

Kirk Cousins has had a fantastic start to his career and it is right up there with some of the best.

If he signs here he would have a much much better defense here and would not be playing from behind as much.  I hope.

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Thanks MarkSP18 for pulling together all of that info.  Very interesting read!

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@MarkSP18 said:

@NodakViking said:
His rating and QBR have regressed each of the three seasons and looking at stats/splits he plays worse when behind, as the season progresses and against division opponents and he ahs a career losing record.


It's seems some of the criticisms/concerns may have some merit-at least on the surface.  What part is him and what part is his situation?  IDK, but I hope they do.

Where does it show he plays bad from behind?

Here is one year which was last year after losing his top two WRs and having very little running game ...
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/25...eason=2017
In 2016 his stats are pretty dang good when playing from behind
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/situationalstats?season=2016
In 2015 his stats were good when playing from behind
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/situationalstats?season=2015


http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/careerstats
His first year starting was 2015 and he completed 69.8% of his passes for 4,166 yards with 29 TDs and 11 INTs.  His rating was 101.6.
His second year starting was 2016 and he completed 67% of his passes for 4,917 yards with 25 TDs and 12 INTs.  His rating was 97.2.
His third year starting was 2017 and he completed 64% of his passes for
4,093 yards with 27 TDs and 13 INTs.  His rating was 93.9.


Aaron Rodgers started in his 4th season as well.
http://www.nfl.com/player/aaronrodgers/2506363/careerstats
His first year starting was 2008 and he completed 63.6% of his passes
for 4,038 yards with 28 TDs and 13 INTs.  His rating was 93.8.
His
second year starting was 2009 and he completed 64.7% of his passes for
4,434 yards with 30 TDs and 7 INTs.  His rating was 103.2.
His third year starting was 2010 and he completed 65.7% of his passes for 3,922 yards with 28 TDs and 11 INTs.  His rating was 101.2.


Now Cousins is not Rodgers and the Packers did win the Super Bowl in that 2010 season.  Their defense was #2 in points allowed per game and #5 in yards allowed per game and had the #2 number of interceptions at 24.

Cousins did not have much of a defense at all the last 3 years.  They gave up between 23 and 24 points on average per year.


Now some will make the inane argument that he was putting up garbage time stats.  Well, if the defense cannot stop anyone then he has to try to score more. 

All I know is that he got them to the playoffs in 2015, his first season starting every game and they should have made the playoffs in 2016 if the lousy defense could have protected a 17-13 lead with 1:05 left in a game vs the Lions and if the kicker could have made a 23 yard field goal in overtime vs the Bengals.  Instead of finishing 8-7-1 they should or could have been 10-6 and back in the playoffs again.  Last year they did not re-sign his two leading receivers and offered no running game. 

How anyone can blame him for last year is a mystery.


It seems that there is some bias against Cousins and people want to bring up imaginary stats that really do not tell the whole story.  I think the bias is that many (not saying you) are pro Teddy and really want to see him run this team.

Kirk Cousins has had a fantastic start to his career and it is right up there with some of the best.

If he signs here he would have a much much better defense here and would not be playing from behind as much.  I hope.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...00/splits/
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/...rk-cousins
Just food for thought since one of the criticisms of him is poor play in crucial situations.  Is it valid?  I don't know I don't usually watch his games, some of these stats support the impression but they are jus stats not the be all end all.

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Wow, his stats in the red zone just plummet...

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Ints skyrocket when behind...

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Stats are stats. Fans will find pluses or minuses in them for their own preferences and they will tell a story for their point of view.

Here's what I'll say: what happened to all the people who said they'd get behind whomever Minnesota ends up signing? We all have our favorites, I guess, but I see some stronger opposition for Cousins with a few. Why? This decision would come after LONG consideration from the Viking's organization and input from the new offensive coordinator. Nothing is guaranteed, that's for sure. Risk for any choice.