Don't forget we were missing starters on the offensive line. And the replacements didn't have a good first half today.
I'm happy Teddy is back. But I'm not ready to just say Teddy is going to lead us to the promise land. He needs to prove he can play.
If we start him against Washington and he loses, all there will be is excuses...
If he wins it will be something to build on.
My thoughts are let Keenum start and try and get Teddy some playing time.
As long as we are winning I don't think we will see Sam.
whatever the decision is regarding the starting QB, i just hope it does not divide and or piss off the locker room
2015 vs 2017 is not even close to aan equal comparison. Sorry Tom, not an argument worth making.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Montana Tom said:
I thought I’d do a YPG comparison. Keenum through 6.5 games (I counted the Bears game as 1/2). 203 YPG avg. Int’s .3 / game. Teddy was 201 YPG, .56 Int’s/game. I’m sure anyone can do the rest of the stat comparison, but I’d offer that Keenum has acquitted himself well as a backup vs. Teddy...and to throw some controversy into it...perhaps better than a backup.
That's not a fair comparison. Keenum is in his 6th season. Teddy was in his 2nd.
That might be, but Case just played in his 33rd game today. Teddy has already played in 29, so their actual NFL playing experience is a lot closer than you might think.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Montana Tom said:
I thought I’d do a YPG comparison. Keenum through 6.5 games (I counted the Bears game as 1/2). 203 YPG avg. Int’s .3 / game. Teddy was 201 YPG, .56 Int’s/game. I’m sure anyone can do the rest of the stat comparison, but I’d offer that Keenum has acquitted himself well as a backup vs. Teddy...and to throw some controversy into it...perhaps better than a backup.
That's not a fair comparison. Keenum is in his 6th season. Teddy was in his 2nd. What's more, the offensive line has been completely rebuilt. For example, Joe Berger, the weak spot on our line this year, was its strength in 2015. Further, Diggs was a rookie and wasn't even active early on. Our best receivers were Mike Wallace and Charles Johnson that year.
The scheme is completely different, too. 2015's was a running offense meant to slowly develop a young QB. This is no such offense. Teddy had several games when he didn't throw more than 20 passes. Case threw the ball 43 times today.
I love that we have Keenum as our QB2 and he's played well. But he's not a long-term starter, and we'll likely find that out the hard way in the next several weeks if we're not careful.
The scheme is completely different, too. 2015's was a running offense
The 2015 team ran the ball. 29.5 times per game.
2017 / 29.3 times per game
Never mind, you are correct they ran the ball a lot more in 2015.
I think the NFL and the associated NFL media is filled with "second guessers" and "hindsighters." The moment Keenum is replaced and the team loses (or struggles), they will want to know why the change and if there is a controversy--or worse, a schism. They would love to talk about this.
Because coaching staffs don't like drama, I think Keenum will have to be injured before he's replaced with either Bradford or Bridgewater. I would have more faith in Bradford replacing Keenum at this point, but only if his knee is truly healed and the Chicago game is not duplicated.
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Any comparison favoring Keenum will lead to the "insert 25 excuses for Teddy" bit that is de rigueur for Teddy vs. anyone threads at this point.
It's still less than the 50 excuses Sam got for never having a winning season or winning a meaningful game in the NFL. Does it make any of the excuses less or more valid? no but fine line behind reasoning and excuse making....
Quote: @holmanjp said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Montana Tom said:
I thought I’d do a YPG comparison. Keenum through 6.5 games (I counted the Bears game as 1/2). 203 YPG avg. Int’s .3 / game. Teddy was 201 YPG, .56 Int’s/game. I’m sure anyone can do the rest of the stat comparison, but I’d offer that Keenum has acquitted himself well as a backup vs. Teddy...and to throw some controversy into it...perhaps better than a backup.
That's not a fair comparison. Keenum is in his 6th season. Teddy was in his 2nd. What's more, the offensive line has been completely rebuilt. For example, Joe Berger, the weak spot on our line this year, was its strength in 2015. Further, Diggs was a rookie and wasn't even active early on. Our best receivers were Mike Wallace and Charles Johnson that year.
The scheme is completely different, too. 2015's was a running offense meant to slowly develop a young QB. This is no such offense. Teddy had several games when he didn't throw more than 20 passes. Case threw the ball 43 times today.
I love that we have Keenum as our QB2 and he's played well. But he's not a long-term starter, and we'll likely find that out the hard way in the next several weeks if we're not careful.
The scheme is completely different, too. 2015's was a running offense
The 2015 team ran the ball. 29.5 times per game.
2017 / 29.3 times per game
Never mind, you are correct they ran the ball a lot more in 2015.
since you are logged into a stat site what % of plays run were run in 2015 vs 2017. I'll venture to guess we are running significantly more plays and hence a lot more pass plays.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Montana Tom said:
I thought I’d do a YPG comparison. Keenum through 6.5 games (I counted the Bears game as 1/2). 203 YPG avg. Int’s .3 / game. Teddy was 201 YPG, .56 Int’s/game. I’m sure anyone can do the rest of the stat comparison, but I’d offer that Keenum has acquitted himself well as a backup vs. Teddy...and to throw some controversy into it...perhaps better than a backup.
That's not a fair comparison. Keenum is in his 6th season. Teddy was in his 2nd.
That might be, but Case just played in his 33rd game today. Teddy has already played in 29, so their actual NFL playing experience is a lot closer than you might think. It's also true that DeShone Kizer has more actual NFL playing experience than Aaron Rodgers did when he began his 4th season.
I would say it's not about game experience as much as it is about time with coaches, in NFL QB rooms, learning offenses, training camps and practices.
Guys, this was without question, posed as an apples and oranges question. There's no real way to equate the two, because so much is different, other than a couple of raw stats (what's that saying? "There's lies, goddam lies and statistics.") The point I was trying to make is that I don't remember Teddy having too many 300 yard games, and Case has admittedly been a better backup, excuse me, starting QB for us than I imagined. Teddy has had bad halves, bad games. Same with Sam.
Here is what I think will happen...Sam will never play another down for the Vikings and his career, due to his knees, is done. He's made over $100 mm playing in the NFL, and he will be an excellent young broadcaster. Case will continue to start the rest of this year...only as long as he keeps a hot hand, and the team keeps winning. If he gets hurt, Teddy is in, and then we ride Teddy the rest of the way, good or bad.
Case is not signed for next year, I don't believe. I suspect we will go into TC with Teddy and Sloter as our #1 and #2 QB.
For someone who almost never makes prognostications (because there is a 99.9% chance they will be wrong), there's your annual, singular prediction from me.
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