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Montana Tom · 10-29-2017, 05:07 PM

I thought I’d do a YPG comparison. Keenum through 6.5 games (I counted the Bears game as 1/2). 203 YPG avg. Int’s .3 / game. Teddy was 201 YPG, .56 Int’s/game. I’m sure anyone can do the rest of the stat comparison, but I’d offer that Keenum has acquitted himself well as a backup vs. Teddy...and to throw some controversy into it...perhaps better than a backup.

10-29-2017, 05:16 PM

Did you mean 230 ypg?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&qualified=true&season=2017&seasonType=REG

10-29-2017, 05:50 PM

Case has done alright, not great mind you, but capable...So glad he's here and has gotten us to 6/2 along with some stellar D. I would be hesitant to bench him right now for Teddy just cause Bridgewater hasn't played in so long. I would put Sam back in if he's 100%. Not sure we'll ever see Sam again as a starter though. Just a gut feel.

10-29-2017, 07:17 PM

Two reasons I wouldn't let pass yards per game 2015 to 2017 prevent me from putting in Teddy if he looks as good as Case in practice. The first is that 2015 we were very much a run-first offense. The second is that Teddy's youth gives you hope that there's still some untapped growth potential so while they may be equal in November, Teddy has the chance to be better in January.

10-29-2017, 07:26 PM

Insert eating popcorn emoji here...

10-29-2017, 07:57 PM

Quote: @Montana Tom said:
I thought I’d do a YPG comparison. Keenum through 6.5 games (I counted the Bears game as 1/2). 203 YPG avg. Int’s .3 / game. Teddy was 201 YPG, .56 Int’s/game. I’m sure anyone can do the rest of the stat comparison, but I’d offer that Keenum has acquitted himself well as a backup vs. Teddy...and to throw some controversy into it...perhaps better than a backup.

That's not a fair comparison. Keenum is in his 6th season. Teddy was in his 2nd. What's more, the offensive line has been completely rebuilt. For example, Joe Berger, the weak spot on our line this year, was its strength in 2015. Further, Diggs was a rookie and wasn't even active early on. Our best receivers were Mike Wallace and Charles Johnson that year.

The scheme is completely different, too. 2015's was a running offense meant to slowly develop a young QB. This is no such offense. Teddy had several games when he didn't throw more than 20 passes. Case threw the ball 43 times today.

I love that we have Keenum as our QB2 and he's played well. But he's not a long-term starter, and we'll likely find that out the hard way in the next several weeks if we're not careful.

10-29-2017, 08:09 PM

Quote: @MaroonBells said:

@Montana Tom said:
I thought I’d do a YPG comparison. Keenum through 6.5 games (I counted the Bears game as 1/2). 203 YPG avg. Int’s .3 / game. Teddy was 201 YPG, .56 Int’s/game. I’m sure anyone can do the rest of the stat comparison, but I’d offer that Keenum has acquitted himself well as a backup vs. Teddy...and to throw some controversy into it...perhaps better than a backup.
That's not a fair comparison. Keenum is in his 6th season. Teddy was in his 2nd. What's more, the offensive line has been completely rebuilt. For example, Joe Berger, the weak spot on our line this year, was its strength in 2015. Further, Diggs was a rookie and wasn't even active early on. Our best receivers were Mike Wallace and Charles Johnson that year.

The scheme is completely different, too. 2015's was a running offense meant to slowly develop a young QB. This is no such offense. Teddy had several games when he didn't throw more than 20 passes. Case threw the ball 43 times today.

I love that we have Keenum as our QB2 and he's played well. But he's not a long-term starter, and we'll likely find that out the hard way in the next several weeks if we're not careful.

Big Amen to that MB...

10-29-2017, 08:21 PM

Any comparison favoring Keenum will lead to the "insert 25 excuses for Teddy" bit that is de rigueur for Teddy vs. anyone threads at this point.

10-29-2017, 08:51 PM

Teddy has never had the protection this offensive line has provided Bradford and Keenum. Let's start there. We can certainly debate whether you really can pull Keenum before he messes up. He looked weak in the first half. Teddy will be ready to go, but I don't see any way that the Vikings pull Keenum for the Washington game directly after the bye week. If he stinks it up in D.C., then you've got the justification.

10-29-2017, 09:17 PM

Quote: @StickyBun said:
Teddy has never had the protection this offensive line has provided Bradford and Keenum. Let's start there. We can certainly debate whether you really can pull Keenum before he messes up. He looked weak in the first half. Teddy will be ready to go, but I don't see any way that the Vikings pull Keenum for the Washington game directly after the bye week. If he stinks it up in D.C., then you've got the justification.

That's just it...I don't think there are many Viking fans who thinks Keenum can take this team as far as Sam or even Bridgewater. But what do the other QB's have to show to sit him? imo he'll have to stink the joint-up before putting Theodore in. Sam should win the starter back if he's healthy, which I have my doubts on.

Maybe situations will force Zimmer's hand? Otherwise, I hope he has clear criteria for making a move.