Quote: @medaille said:
Tampering, as most people define it (negotiating with a free
agent after the Super Bowl, but before the official opening of the legal tampering
window) hurts no one and should not be an offense, and while the player can’t
talk to the teams, the agents can, so a ban on tampering is doing nothing but
forcing the agents to be the middle-man in the negotiations.
Tampering should be redefined to only include negotiating
with players that are obligated to play future games under their current
contract or they should redefine the legal tampering window to be much larger
(Like starts the day after the SB).
The NFL is strict about not allowing teams to transact business with players under contract to other teams. I doubt this is going to change just as I doubt the opening of free agency is going to change from mid March to a month earlier either. Teams want some breathing room before f.a. starts and most contracts are set to expire in March.
The combine is where you start talking with agents (aka tampering) and you presume that some expensive qb you sign won't stand on a podium and spill the beans to the world and give you a headache down the road. Everyone does it so the league is just going to tolerate this but if you're dumb enough to actually say you did it then you are probably getting slapped.
Given the pace that the SF accounting investigation moved, I wouldn't expect Atlanta to be penalized until the 2025 draft.
On tampering, I'll take whatever we can get. If we get nothing but Atlanta is penalized, I'll take that - they're a competitor so if it hurts them it helps us at least a little.
More interesting to me is Darnold. I am probably more optimistic than most about Darnold. He has a lot of talent, as much talent as any QB in this draft except Williams. Hopefully, his confidence has not been destroyed, or if it has, it can be rebuilt. He is in the right situation to revive his career. The only damper is he will never be on a rookie contract again. I hope he has the kind of year that forces us to have to resign him and make the rookie sit another year.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
They tampered and are now using a useful idiot in the press to try and hide it. It seemed pretty obvious there was a distinct switch a week or two out. Suddenly they were looking at schools and houses - then they weren’t. Atlanta was suddenly talked about as a foregone conclusion - it became pretty much flagrant. The Falcons need to pay and pay dearly. 1st round pick to the Vikings at a minimum. He’s a franchise QB. What’s to stop teams from doing whatever they please in the future? A significant precedent needs to be set in my opinion.
Nothing was going to change the fact that Cousins wasn’t
signing here at a well below market price and terms. At some point Cousins was going to negotiate
with all his potential suiters and pick the best option for him. The only thing that changed from the
tampering was that he signed his contract with the Falcons sooner. How do you come to the conclusion that the Vikings
were injured and deserve compensation? We
were not injured in any way.
1. The Vikings offered more than what he took according to at least one source. I also read they gave him the security he wanted with guaranteed money in year 2. Atlanta only gave him $10 million guaranteed in year two, I would imagine the Vikings were similar or better. Suddenly it wasn’t good enough though. That’s because Atlanta had already sealed the deal.
2. He didn’t “negotiate” with anyone. He was reported to be going to Atlanta even before legal tampering started and then was reported as immediately having taken a deal when it opened. $100 million guaranteed with no medical….supposedly
I don’t know what’s going on, but the above posted only half what I wrote.
It’s stupid obvious Cousins was sold on what Atlanta was offering. How is it easy to tell?
Kirk Cousin always maximizes his contract. He’s a shrewd businessman and negotiator. Yet inexplcably, in this case he did nothing to maximize his contract. He didn’t even entertain offers from other QB needy teams. Even if he and his family on their own decided to leave, he would have still taken offers to get the best deal from Atlanta. Yet, it was a done deal in record time
The idea the Vikings weren’t injured is absurd. They lost their franchise QB, one they fully expected back. Their likely plan was to draft their franchise QB and bring him into an ideal situation. They had to pivot to a contingency plan. “Not injured”
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1. The Vikings offered more than what he took according to at least one source. I also read they gave him the security he wanted with guaranteed money in year 2. Atlanta only gave him $10 million guaranteed in year two, I would imagine the Vikings were similar or better. Suddenly it wasn’t good enough though. That’s because Atlanta had already sealed the deal.
2. He didn’t “negotiate” with anyone. He was reported to be going to Atlanta even before legal tampering started and then was reported as immediately having taken a deal when it opened. $100 million guaranteed with no medical….supposedly
On March 11, 2024, Kirk Cousins signed a four-year, $180 million contract with the Atlanta Falcons.012 His 2024 and 2025 salaries are fully guaranteed, and he received a $50 million signing bonus.2 Cousins will earn a base salary of $12,500,000 and a signing bonus of $50,000,000 in 2024, while carrying a cap hit of $25,000,000 and a dead cap value of $90,000,000.0 Cousins received $100 million in guarantees, and his 2024 and 2025 salaries are fully guaranteed. There are $10 million roster bonuses due on the 5th day of the 2026 and 2027 league years.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
@ medaille said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
They tampered and are now using a useful idiot in the press to try and hide it. It seemed pretty obvious there was a distinct switch a week or two out. Suddenly they were looking at schools and houses - then they weren’t. Atlanta was suddenly talked about as a foregone conclusion - it became pretty much flagrant. The Falcons need to pay and pay dearly. 1st round pick to the Vikings at a minimum. He’s a franchise QB. What’s to stop teams from doing whatever they please in the future? A significant precedent needs to be set in my opinion.
Nothing was going to change the fact that Cousins wasn’t
signing here at a well below market price and terms. At some point Cousins was going to negotiate
with all his potential suiters and pick the best option for him. The only thing that changed from the
tampering was that he signed his contract with the Falcons sooner. How do you come to the conclusion that the Vikings
were injured and deserve compensation? We
were not injured in any way.
1. The Vikings offered more than what he took according to at least one source. I also read they gave him the security he wanted with guaranteed money in year 2. Atlanta only gave him $10 million guaranteed in year two, I would imagine the Vikings were similar or better. Suddenly it wasn’t good enough though. That’s because Atlanta had already sealed the deal.
2. He didn’t “negotiate” with anyone. He was reported to be going to Atlanta even before legal tampering started and then was reported as immediately having taken a deal when it opened. $100 million guaranteed with no medical….supposedly
...
It’s stupid obvious Cousins was sold on what Atlanta was offering. How is it easy to tell?
Kirk Cousin always maximizes his contract. He’s a shrewd businessman and negotiator. Yet inexplcably, in this case he did nothing to maximize his contract. He didn’t even entertain offers from other QB needy teams. Even if he and his family on their own decided to leave, he would have still taken offers to get the best deal from Atlanta. Yet, it was a done deal in record time
...
The idea the Vikings weren’t injured is absurd. They lost their franchise QB, one they fully expected back. Their likely plan was to draft their franchise QB and bring him into an ideal situation. They had to pivot to a contingency plan. “Not injured”
Dude, this isn't that complicated. The Falcons offered more money and more security, according to almost all the reports. We wanted him to be the bridge QB for the rookie we want to draft and we want the ability to cut him after year 1, and they want him to be the starter for the next 3 maybe more years.
Even after the Falcons deal was "finalized" on the first day of legal tampering, the Vikings had multiple days to make a better offer and didn't. If you believe he was hellset on the Falcons regardless of everything, then removing the tampering from the equation wouldn't change that, it would just make the process take longer for him to figure out where to go because he would start later. There was zero pressure for Cousins to find a team. He had all offseason to figure it out, at least up until the draft. He was never going to sign with us before weighing his options. The outcome would always be the same regardless.
Regarding the timing of deals being done. By the time Cousins contract was announced the Vikings had already signed multiple big name free agents from other teams for multiyear deals. How did those deal get done faster without tampering than Cousins deal got done with tampering?
I mean whatever. He is the one on video saying he spoke to staff beforehand
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