Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ comet52 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ comet52 said:
Harrison Smith is retiring.
I am not seeing that reported, where did you get this from? FYI Jimmy this thread had the stuck scrolling problem just now. No tweets or pics. It unstuck after I fiddled with it a bit.
My source on Smith is on the q.t. but I'm about 95% confident it will happen. I think he's waiting for the team to confirm they aren't paying him all that cash in '24, which probably is the only way he'd come back.
Thanks, what browser and type of access ( pc or mobile ) are you having the issue with?
Android, Duck Duck Go browser. On desktop I use Chrome.
Kwesi deserves to be dinged for that disaster that was the 2022 draft. But he made the hard choices to get the Cap in positive territory for the first time in years & for that he deserves kudos.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
is Over the Cap even reliable? Here they have the Vikings cap space at under 25 million for 24. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/minnesota-vikings
total Cap Liabilities: $225,108,037 - Top 51: $220,009,496
- Team Cap Space: $24,658,132
- Offense: $130,256,654
- Defense: $89,014,508
- Special: $2,328,334
others say mid 30s, I've some claim as high as mid 40s a few weeks ago and saying it can go higher after moving off Hitmans deal.
is our cap situation that complex that it cant be nailed down when there arent any moving pieces? I think some are playing games like assuming 14 of Cousins money comes back due to him coming to terms on an extension, of course they dont factor in that new money against the cap in their fairy tales.
There aren't moving pieces, but there are different ways to calculate it. The difference between the numbers is likely that some use cap space and some use "effective" cap space, which takes into account rookie salaries and the fact that the team will eventually be required to fit 51 players under the cap. There are also estimations that may or may not include the amount of money committed to certain players if they're on the roster at certain dates in the new year.
I think this guy has proven to be fairly accurate. 43M in cap space. 32M in effective cap space. https://vikingscap.com/index.php/2024-salary-cap/
One thing's for certain, the Vikings are in good shape in terms of the cap, and the amount of space they have is going to go up significantly with the release of Harry and a JJ extension. Even more so if they re-sign Hunter.
What's more, the estimates for 2025 cap space, somewhere between $120M-$150M, should offer a good place to stack dead money if they so choose.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
The Vikings are in a MUCH better cap position this off-season and moving forward. The one gimme is bonus restructuring Hockenson. His contract was written in a way where it would make less sense not to. Gets you to about $32M in space (this includes all of Kirk, Hunter and Davenport's dead money). We'll see what happens with Harrison Smith. He won't be back at his $19M cap number. Question is whether he takes a pay-cut or ends up released. Puts the cap number between $37 - 43M. Doubt they touch Murphy's deal unless they straight up release him (don't think they will).
With the $37-43 (we'll call it $40M) they have really 2 paths.
1. Resign Kirk, Danielle (or comparable defensive player) and 1-2 role players
2. Go the rookie QB route. If they go this way they honestly have enough money to do whatever they like
Door #2 please. Rookie QB, extend Danielle and add 3 trench pieces (2 by raiding the Dolphins): - Christian Wilkins DT, leading run DL with strong pass rushing capabilities and a history with Flores (Backup options: DJ Reader, Javon Kinlaw)
- Conner Williams C, major upgrade over Bradberry (Backup options: Cushenberry)
- Josh Uche DE, pass rusher (Backup: Campbell, Van Ginkle)
I would also give Davenport (reduced one year deal), Powell, and Risner (3yr/$18million). Upgraded IOL, significantly upgraded front 7 (Uche+Wilkins+Phillips with Hunter-Pace-???-Davenport) that can get pressure without constant blitzing.
A rookie QB with allegedly the right staff and a strong roster (best WR and TE grouping in the league?) and a borderline top 10 defense can get you to the wild card round, potentially beyond.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The Vikings are in a MUCH better cap position this off-season and moving forward. The one gimme is bonus restructuring Hockenson. His contract was written in a way where it would make less sense not to. Gets you to about $32M in space (this includes all of Kirk, Hunter and Davenport's dead money). We'll see what happens with Harrison Smith. He won't be back at his $19M cap number. Question is whether he takes a pay-cut or ends up released. Puts the cap number between $37 - 43M. Doubt they touch Murphy's deal unless they straight up release him (don't think they will).
With the $37-43 (we'll call it $40M) they have really 2 paths.
1. Resign Kirk, Danielle (or comparable defensive player) and 1-2 role players
2. Go the rookie QB route. If they go this way they honestly have enough money to do whatever they like
Door #2 please. Rookie QB, extend Danielle and add 3 trench pieces (2 by raiding the Dolphins): - Christian Wilkins DT, leading run DL with strong pass rushing capabilities and a history with Flores (Backup options: DJ Reader, Javon Kinlaw)
- Conner Williams C, major upgrade over Bradberry (Backup options: Cushenberry)
- Josh Uche DE, pass rusher (Backup: Campbell, Van Ginkle)
I would also give Davenport (reduced one year deal), Powell, and Risner (3yr/$18million). Upgraded IOL, significantly upgraded front 7 (Uche+Wilkins+Phillips with Hunter-Pace-???-Davenport) that can get pressure without constant blitzing.
A rookie QB with allegedly the right staff and a strong roster (best WR and TE grouping in the league?) and a borderline top 10 defense can get you to the wild card round, potentially beyond.
Davenport isn't coming back. The team wanted him to ramp up his rehabilitation in order to get back on the field toward the end of the season. He declined & said that he wanted to focus on free agency.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The Vikings are in a MUCH better cap position this off-season and moving forward. The one gimme is bonus restructuring Hockenson. His contract was written in a way where it would make less sense not to. Gets you to about $32M in space (this includes all of Kirk, Hunter and Davenport's dead money). We'll see what happens with Harrison Smith. He won't be back at his $19M cap number. Question is whether he takes a pay-cut or ends up released. Puts the cap number between $37 - 43M. Doubt they touch Murphy's deal unless they straight up release him (don't think they will).
With the $37-43 (we'll call it $40M) they have really 2 paths.
1. Resign Kirk, Danielle (or comparable defensive player) and 1-2 role players
2. Go the rookie QB route. If they go this way they honestly have enough money to do whatever they like
Door #2 please. Rookie QB, extend Danielle and add 3 trench pieces (2 by raiding the Dolphins): - Christian Wilkins DT, leading run DL with strong pass rushing capabilities and a history with Flores (Backup options: DJ Reader, Javon Kinlaw)
- Conner Williams C, major upgrade over Bradberry (Backup options: Cushenberry)
- Josh Uche DE, pass rusher (Backup: Campbell, Van Ginkle)
I would also give Davenport (reduced one year deal), Powell, and Risner (3yr/$18million). Upgraded IOL, significantly upgraded front 7 (Uche+Wilkins+Phillips with Hunter-Pace-???-Davenport) that can get pressure without constant blitzing.
A rookie QB with allegedly the right staff and a strong roster (best WR and TE grouping in the league?) and a borderline top 10 defense can get you to the wild card round, potentially beyond.
Davenport isn't coming back. The team wanted him to ramp up his rehabilitation in order to get back on the field toward the end of the season. He declined & said that he wanted to focus on free agency.
Good riddance, what a waste!
Quote: @Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The Vikings are in a MUCH better cap position this off-season and moving forward. The one gimme is bonus restructuring Hockenson. His contract was written in a way where it would make less sense not to. Gets you to about $32M in space (this includes all of Kirk, Hunter and Davenport's dead money). We'll see what happens with Harrison Smith. He won't be back at his $19M cap number. Question is whether he takes a pay-cut or ends up released. Puts the cap number between $37 - 43M. Doubt they touch Murphy's deal unless they straight up release him (don't think they will).
With the $37-43 (we'll call it $40M) they have really 2 paths.
1. Resign Kirk, Danielle (or comparable defensive player) and 1-2 role players
2. Go the rookie QB route. If they go this way they honestly have enough money to do whatever they like
Door #2 please. Rookie QB, extend Danielle and add 3 trench pieces (2 by raiding the Dolphins): - Christian Wilkins DT, leading run DL with strong pass rushing capabilities and a history with Flores (Backup options: DJ Reader, Javon Kinlaw)
- Conner Williams C, major upgrade over Bradberry (Backup options: Cushenberry)
- Josh Uche DE, pass rusher (Backup: Campbell, Van Ginkle)
I would also give Davenport (reduced one year deal), Powell, and Risner (3yr/$18million). Upgraded IOL, significantly upgraded front 7 (Uche+Wilkins+Phillips with Hunter-Pace-???-Davenport) that can get pressure without constant blitzing.
A rookie QB with allegedly the right staff and a strong roster (best WR and TE grouping in the league?) and a borderline top 10 defense can get you to the wild card round, potentially beyond.
Unless you draft the next CJ Stroud, you're not making the playoffs with a rookie QB. Williams, Daniels, Maye should all be able to start week 1 and might have the goods to get it done, but there's absolutely no way any of the second tier guys should start unless in case of emergency. Let alone counting on any of them to get us to the "wild card or beyond".
Davenport showed up soft and outta shape, then predictably got hurt, then shut it down and took 13 mil in cap space.
Kwesi got scammed and it looked bad.
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The Vikings are in a MUCH better cap position this off-season and moving forward. The one gimme is bonus restructuring Hockenson. His contract was written in a way where it would make less sense not to. Gets you to about $32M in space (this includes all of Kirk, Hunter and Davenport's dead money). We'll see what happens with Harrison Smith. He won't be back at his $19M cap number. Question is whether he takes a pay-cut or ends up released. Puts the cap number between $37 - 43M. Doubt they touch Murphy's deal unless they straight up release him (don't think they will).
With the $37-43 (we'll call it $40M) they have really 2 paths.
1. Resign Kirk, Danielle (or comparable defensive player) and 1-2 role players
2. Go the rookie QB route. If they go this way they honestly have enough money to do whatever they like
Door #2 please. Rookie QB, extend Danielle and add 3 trench pieces (2 by raiding the Dolphins): - Christian Wilkins DT, leading run DL with strong pass rushing capabilities and a history with Flores (Backup options: DJ Reader, Javon Kinlaw)
- Conner Williams C, major upgrade over Bradberry (Backup options: Cushenberry)
- Josh Uche DE, pass rusher (Backup: Campbell, Van Ginkle)
I would also give Davenport (reduced one year deal), Powell, and Risner (3yr/$18million). Upgraded IOL, significantly upgraded front 7 (Uche+Wilkins+Phillips with Hunter-Pace-???-Davenport) that can get pressure without constant blitzing.
A rookie QB with allegedly the right staff and a strong roster (best WR and TE grouping in the league?) and a borderline top 10 defense can get you to the wild card round, potentially beyond.
Unless you draft the next CJ Stroud, you're not making the playoffs with a rookie QB. Williams, Daniels, Maye should all be able to start week 1 and might have the goods to get it done, but there's absolutely no way any of the second tier guys should start unless in case of emergency. Let alone counting on any of them to get us to the "wild card or beyond".
15 times, so not unheard of. Stroud this year, but last year was Brock Purdy, if you build a quality team, you don't need a veteran pro bowler to get to the playoffs. Here's a few more examples.
| Team | Year | Record | Rating | | Russell Wilson | Seahawks | 2012 | 1-1 | 102.4 | | Robert Griffin III | Redskins | 2012 | 0-1 | 77.5 | | Andrew Luck | Colts | 2012 | 0-1 | 59.8 | | Andy Dalton | Bengals | 2011 | 0-1 | 51.4 | | Mark Sanchez | Jets | 2009 | 2-1 | 92.7 | | Joe Flacco | Ravens | 2008 | 2-1 | 50.8 | | Matt Ryan | Falcons | 2008 | 0-1 | 72.8 | | Ben Roethlisberger | Steelers | 2004 | 1-1 | 61.3 | | Jim Everett | Rams | 1986 | 0-1 | 54.2 | | Dieter Brock | Rams | 1985 | 1-1 | 24.0 | | Bernie Kosar | Browns | 1985 | 0-1 | 56.0 | | Dan Marino | Dolphins | 1983 | 0-1 | 77.6 | |
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Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The Vikings are in a MUCH better cap position this off-season and moving forward. The one gimme is bonus restructuring Hockenson. His contract was written in a way where it would make less sense not to. Gets you to about $32M in space (this includes all of Kirk, Hunter and Davenport's dead money). We'll see what happens with Harrison Smith. He won't be back at his $19M cap number. Question is whether he takes a pay-cut or ends up released. Puts the cap number between $37 - 43M. Doubt they touch Murphy's deal unless they straight up release him (don't think they will).
With the $37-43 (we'll call it $40M) they have really 2 paths.
1. Resign Kirk, Danielle (or comparable defensive player) and 1-2 role players
2. Go the rookie QB route. If they go this way they honestly have enough money to do whatever they like
Door #2 please. Rookie QB, extend Danielle and add 3 trench pieces (2 by raiding the Dolphins): - Christian Wilkins DT, leading run DL with strong pass rushing capabilities and a history with Flores (Backup options: DJ Reader, Javon Kinlaw)
- Conner Williams C, major upgrade over Bradberry (Backup options: Cushenberry)
- Josh Uche DE, pass rusher (Backup: Campbell, Van Ginkle)
I would also give Davenport (reduced one year deal), Powell, and Risner (3yr/$18million). Upgraded IOL, significantly upgraded front 7 (Uche+Wilkins+Phillips with Hunter-Pace-???-Davenport) that can get pressure without constant blitzing.
A rookie QB with allegedly the right staff and a strong roster (best WR and TE grouping in the league?) and a borderline top 10 defense can get you to the wild card round, potentially beyond.
Davenport isn't coming back. The team wanted him to ramp up his rehabilitation in order to get back on the field toward the end of the season. He declined & said that he wanted to focus on free agency.
Is that from a reliable source?
That said, there is no way I would re-sign Davenport. I could see the allure at the time, but he is a big fail as a Viking.
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