Coaching

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I mean 1 Harbaugh used the Vikings as leverage for Michigan. The other one is with the Ravens. 

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People underestimate how hard it is to be perennially good
in the NFL.  You basically need a good
GM, good coaching staff, and a good QB and then you have to be relatively injury
free any given year.  If your starting QB
or too many of your good players get injured, there’s basically nothing you can
do.  If your GM has 2 bad drafts in a row,
now your in a hole that’s hard to get out of. 
If one of your coordinators leaves to get a HC position and you can’t
find another top coordinator to replace them, now most of your players on that
side of the ball are going to be 10% worse and that’s a huge margin in the NFL.


I don’t think you’d see any HC that would have weathered the
injuries we’ve seen this year, double so since this is our rebuilding year and
we’re running with a shortened roster. 
Could another HC have gotten us into a first round playoff loss?  Sure, but I don’t think that really is what
people have in mind with a different coaching staff.


KOC is a young coach. 
He clearly has stuff to work on, but he’s not a bad coach.  I think in year 3, he really needs to hone in
on finding a competent running game such that we get true multiplicity on
offense where both are a threat, and he can pass to setup the run or run to
setup the pass.  He probably needs to
find a method of making his offense easier to learn for his QBs as all of his
QBs have struggled to really hit the ground running with his system.  He needs to get better organization on the
sideline.

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@Vikergirl said:
I mean 1 Harbaugh used the Vikings as leverage for Michigan.

How do you figure that? 

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I kept wishing the Vikings would raid the Ravens front office when cleaning house. They always draft well and have tough teams year after year. They had a buddy in the browns office unfortunately.

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@pattersaur said:
He’s a second year coach who the players love who is 20-13 (0-1 playoffs). 

I’m still a big KO fan. Almost no coaches look good without a QB

He's 12-13 last 25 and I believe 9-8 last 17 with Kirk and JJ in the lineup.

It also feels to me like his lack of in-game/OC chops are leading where I thought they eventually would-to the players tuning him and his rah rah out. It seemed pretty apparent the other night.

Coaches who have to go to the podium every week and talk about fixing stuff and doing better and what's unacceptable are coaches who sooner or later get pink slips.
Think Leslie Frazier.

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@supafreak84 said:

@Vikergirl said:
I mean 1 Harbaugh used the Vikings as leverage for Michigan.

How do you figure that? 

Harbaugh walked away not understanding why he didn't get the job. That's why he made the comment about never seeking an NFL job again- he felt like he'd been fucked.  KAM had the connection from San Francisco that got him in the door, Harbaugh likes him.

 But Andrew Miller Baseball Guy won the power struggle and got us coach Feel-good the hot air blower who unfortunately struggles badly as an OC and won't hire a real one. He feels he's gotta prove he's like his buddies McVay and Shanahan but reality is he's not in their league.

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Losing Cousins was the difference between winning the division and possibly having a first round bye, KOC's consistent poor game management decisions was the difference between making the playoffs despite losing Cousins and potentially coming in last.  Sunday also exposed Flores as well, we played against mostly week QBs and offenses this year which made the defense look better than they were, he was embarrassingly outcoached this week and there is a reason why he did not have one other DC offer.  

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Harbaugh thought he had the job the moment he walked into the Viking facility.  If he had been hired and had a mediocre season all of the Internet GM's would be bitching wondering why they hired this guy.

Pattersaur mentioned Belichek but Brady made him look good and besides he likes to play GM and in todays game that is too much to handle besides being coach.

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@Greylock said:
Harbaugh thought he had the job the moment he walked into the Viking facility.  If he had been hired and had a mediocre season all of the Internet GM's would be bitching wondering why they hired this guy.

Pattersaur mentioned Belichek but Brady made him look good and besides he likes to play GM and in todays game that is too much to handle besides being coach.

Jim is a winner, but there's also some baggage that comes with Jim from what went down in San Francisco to the recent developments at Michigan. However, I would bet dollars to donuts he didn't get the Vikings job because he is a strong personality that certainly would want some say in building the roster, and that's not something KAM coming in as a fresh GM wanted to give up, so he instead went with a very young first time head coach who would basically be a "yes" man and fist pumper for every move Kwesi made. It's still undetermined if it was the right decision or not, but I don't think there is any way Harbough wouldn't have come to Minnesota and turned this team into contenders 

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The jury is still very much out on KOC.  He brought new energy to the team and hired Flores -- big positives there.  He over-achieved in year #1.  And while I get the injury bug was an anchor this year, I don't know how you can say KOC did not underperform (significantly) this year.  Skodin summarized it pretty well.  The guy started 1-4 with a vet QB and a healthy lineup.  When he doubled-down on Dobbs, I thought -- Ok, KOC is going to re-tool the offense with the bye-week to take advantage of Dobb's strengths.  But no dice -- not a single RPO, limited roll-outs -- the same damn offense designed for the statuesque Cousins.  That's really what started raising questions in my mind.  Starting Jaren Hall with the playoffs on the line -- WTF was that?  Hall looked like doggy-do in pre-season.  He had one decent drive going in his lone start ... maybe KOC saw something here?  Turns out -- no.  Again, more questions about whether he is the guy who can get it done for this team...