Quote: @JR44 said:
I think they are going to really miss him much more than they may think, he had the ability to change a game instantly as he did in the Buffalo game which we were pretty much done until he woke up the team with an 80 yard TD.
I agree. Cooks ability to go the distance was huge in the Dolphins and the Colts wins too. Those game breaking plays are going to be missed.
Quote: @Skodin said:
so there was no team who was willing to give up a 5th for him? then why are we paying him?
It's possible they have a deal in place pending his physical after surgery.
If all they are going to do is cut him after June 1, they could have done that any time by using one of their two post-June 1 cut designation slots on him, giving him a chance to test the market before teams signed other backs.
I don't see just holding him until the actual June 1 date and hurting his chances like that without a reason.
I just find it funny we can give a blocking, backup TE who has never surpassed 150 yards receiving in a season, a $21 million dollar contract but cant find the money to honor Cooks contract that we gave him and now have to cut or trade him. The guy is a top 5 RB in this league and has been. 27 years old. This offense takes a step back if he is gone. Mattison doesn't come close to the explosiveness as a runner or receiver. Unless that shoulder is completely red flagged, I just don't see how losing Dalvin Cook makes us a better football team.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
I just find it funny we can give a blocking, backup TE who has never surpassed 150 yards receiving in a season, a $21 million dollar contract but cant find the money to honor Cooks contract that we gave him and now have to cut or trade him. The guy is a top 5 RB in this league and has been. 27 years old. This offense takes a step back if he is gone. Mattison doesn't come close to the explosiveness as a runner or receiver. Unless that shoulder is completely red flagged, I just don't see how losing Dalvin Cook makes us a better football team.
Losing Dalvin doesn't make us better in '23, but it puts us in a better financial position going forward, which might actually make us a better team in '24 and beyond. Teams typically make decisions with an eye focused two, three years down the road.
At any rate, I'm a little surprised a "tear it up by the roots" guy is complaining about cutting salary.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I just find it funny we can give a blocking, backup TE who has never surpassed 150 yards receiving in a season, a $21 million dollar contract but cant find the money to honor Cooks contract that we gave him and now have to cut or trade him. The guy is a top 5 RB in this league and has been. 27 years old. This offense takes a step back if he is gone. Mattison doesn't come close to the explosiveness as a runner or receiver. Unless that shoulder is completely red flagged, I just don't see how losing Dalvin Cook makes us a better football team.
Losing Dalvin doesn't make us better in '23, but it puts us in a better financial position going forward, which might actually make us a better team in '24 and beyond. Teams typically make decisions with an eye focused two, three years down the road.
At any rate, I'm a little surprised a "tear it up by the roots" guy is complaining about cutting salary.
And I'm a little surprised to hear a "we won 13 games last year so let's keep Cousins and go all in" guy who is okay losing our best running back and a difference maker on offense. Are we all in or are we not for this upcoming season? If we are, then it doesn't make much sense getting rid of Dalvin Cook.
I would rather have his $14M go towards a RG that can open holes for a young cheap back. Than when that back needs a breather, that RG blocks effectively for his back up. And when neither young back is getting the ball, that same RG is protecting a QB at a high pass block win rate.
You do not need a premier RB to have a great offense now, you need a great OL to have a great offense.
Time to move on from Calvin
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I just find it funny we can give a blocking, backup TE who has never surpassed 150 yards receiving in a season, a $21 million dollar contract but cant find the money to honor Cooks contract that we gave him and now have to cut or trade him. The guy is a top 5 RB in this league and has been. 27 years old. This offense takes a step back if he is gone. Mattison doesn't come close to the explosiveness as a runner or receiver. Unless that shoulder is completely red flagged, I just don't see how losing Dalvin Cook makes us a better football team.
Losing Dalvin doesn't make us better in '23, but it puts us in a better financial position going forward, which might actually make us a better team in '24 and beyond. Teams typically make decisions with an eye focused two, three years down the road.
At any rate, I'm a little surprised a "tear it up by the roots" guy is complaining about cutting salary.
And I'm a little surprised to hear a "we won 13 games last year so let's keep Cousins and go all in" guy who is okay losing our best running back and a difference maker on offense. Are we all in or are we not for this upcoming season? If we are, then it doesn't make much sense getting rid of Dalvin Cook.
He's a running back. That's the difference. I was not in favor of trading Z (not that we had a choice). I would not be in favor of trading Hunter.
Dalvin is one of the best players at a position that just doesn't have the impact it used to. In a league where Rhamondre Stevenson, Tony Pollard and Dameon Pierce were 4th rounders and Isaiah Pacheco and Austin Ekeler were undrafted, it doesn't make a lot of sense to pay Dalvin the $14M it would take to keep him in '23. He also looked a little sluggish to me last year.
I'm also a pretty big fan of Ty Chandler and DeWayne McBride. I think it's very possible our running game actually improves this year.
In a similar vein to how the Minnesota Vikings kept outside linebacker Za’Darius Smith, they have held onto running back Dalvin Cook. According to ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler, they want to do right by him and he said son during an appearance on Sports Center.
Quote:“Dalvin Cook’s future has been sort of open-ended recently. I was told from a source that the Vikings want to do right by Dalvin Cook. Right now, they’re willing to hold on to his cap hit of around $14 million until they figure this all out.
“They want him to go to a place where he can play and be happy, whether that’s via trade, or eventual release, or even staying in Minnesota. But that’s sort of the thing they’ve been sorting through.”
Fowler, who used to be a Vikings beat writer for The Pioneer Press, has connections in the Twin Cities market and goes on to say that he “believe(s) the Vikings have been willing to listen to trade offers.”
This makes sense as to why Cook is still a member of the Vikings. While it may not make the most business sense to keep him on the roster, they didn’t earn an A+ NFLPA report card grade for being ruthless.
https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/14/minnesota-vikings-dalvin-cook-espn/
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I just find it funny we can give a blocking, backup TE who has never surpassed 150 yards receiving in a season, a $21 million dollar contract but cant find the money to honor Cooks contract that we gave him and now have to cut or trade him. The guy is a top 5 RB in this league and has been. 27 years old. This offense takes a step back if he is gone. Mattison doesn't come close to the explosiveness as a runner or receiver. Unless that shoulder is completely red flagged, I just don't see how losing Dalvin Cook makes us a better football team.
Losing Dalvin doesn't make us better in '23, but it puts us in a better financial position going forward, which might actually make us a better team in '24 and beyond. Teams typically make decisions with an eye focused two, three years down the road.
At any rate, I'm a little surprised a "tear it up by the roots" guy is complaining about cutting salary.
And I'm a little surprised to hear a "we won 13 games last year so let's keep Cousins and go all in" guy who is okay losing our best running back and a difference maker on offense. Are we all in or are we not for this upcoming season? If we are, then it doesn't make much sense getting rid of Dalvin Cook.
He's a running back. That's the difference. I was not in favor of trading Z (not that we had a choice). I would not be in favor of trading Hunter.
Dalvin is one of the best players at a position that just doesn't have the impact it used to. In a league where Rhamondre Stevenson, Tony Pollard and Dameon Pierce were 4th rounders and Isaiah Pacheco and Austin Ekeler were undrafted, it doesn't make a lot of sense to pay Dalvin the $14M it would take to keep him in '23. He also looked a little sluggish to me last year.
I'm also a pretty big fan of Ty Chandler and DeWayne McBride. I think it's very possible our running game actually improves this year.
You have a lot more confidence in these other guys in the stable then I do then. I think they can be good as a group, but we aren't a better offense without Cook and defenses having to worry about Dalvin getting around the corner on a stretch run and going 80 on them. Dalvin is still only 27 and unless the shoulder is completely wrecked, he still should have 3 to 4 years of elite level production. KOC is really trying to turn us into the Rams. 3-4 defense, trading picks for players, throwing the ball all over the field, and running back by committee. I just don't get going all in on the season, paying a blocking TE $21 million dollars, then oops....don't have money to pay the star running back the contract that we signed him to.
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