And can we stop the revolving door of Offensive Coordinators too? Seriously? That is absolutely ridiculous.
Quote: @"Vikergirl" said:
And can we stop the revolving door of Offensive Coordinators too? Seriously? That is absolutely ridiculous.
Not much you can do about it. If the Vikings finish near the top, Kubiak will get some attention. I think his dad knew that, too, when he retired.
Kubiak's REALLY young though. 34. Maybe too young for an HC position. Ya gotta at least pay a LITTLE bit of dues, right? The top 4 offenses last year were....
1. KC--Bienemy doesn't get a shot because most people realize it's Andy Reid's offense.
2. Titans--OC was hired away. Arthur Smith is now the HC in Atlanta.
3. Bills--Daboll was the favorite for the Chargers HC job. But they decided they wanted to go with a defensive HC. Daboll still in Buffalo. If the Bills repeat what they did last year, Daboll would probably be the top candidate, despite the fact that Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs are why the offense goes, not Daboll.
4. Vikings--Kubiak retired. But a 34-year old version of a very successful, Super Bowl winning coach will be very tempting for teams, especially if the Vikings finish near the top again.
Quote: @"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
I can see us passing more this year, especially on 1st down, but with Dalvin Cook and a very good run blocking line and system, this will remain a run-first team.
It needs to be a do whatever the defense is showing a weakness for. To many times we got predictable and couldn't move the ball, that happens to great OL, when the stack the box throw them out of it.
Yes, but for too many, "predictable" simply means running the ball. If it goes for 1, it's predictable. If Dalvin busts it for 60, nobody talks about how predictable it was. Thing is, even those 1 yard gains are useful.
1 yard gains have their place, but when we are simply trying to "impose our willingness to run on a stacked defense and end up not at least flipping field position, then those one yard gains are futile. It seems to often under Zimmer that our game plan is to simply run the clock on a narrow lead and they end up going 3 and out at inopportune times.
Quote: @"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
I can see us passing more this year, especially on 1st down, but with Dalvin Cook and a very good run blocking line and system, this will remain a run-first team.
It needs to be a do whatever the defense is showing a weakness for. To many times we got predictable and couldn't move the ball, that happens to great OL, when the stack the box throw them out of it.
Yes, but for too many, "predictable" simply means running the ball. If it goes for 1, it's predictable. If Dalvin busts it for 60, nobody talks about how predictable it was. Thing is, even those 1 yard gains are useful.
1 yard gains have their place, but when we are simply trying to "impose our willingness to run on a stacked defense and end up not at least flipping field position, then those one yard gains are futile. It seems to often under Zimmer that our game plan is to simply run the clock on a narrow lead and they end up going 3 and out at inopportune times.
I remember a tight game last year--Titans, Cowboys, can't remember who--where all we had to do was get a first down, run off about 90 seconds and the game was ours. We went three and out and took about 20 seconds off the clock because we passed on all three of the downs. We lost.
Why did they do this? I suspect because the defense expected them to run and stacked the box. For the most part, offenses will take what the defense gives them, but sometimes it's best to ignore that and just do what you do well, especially if the situation calls for it.
Quote: @"Zanary" said:
I'm hoping that the young Kubiak can stand up to Z, and unleash more of the offense. We have the tools to prey on any defense's weaknesses, if we'll just show the will/flexibility.
Even Z must know that we can't default to run/grind all the time without being painfully predictable...and that he has a host of proven weapons in his passing offense to go with his beloved running game.
Sometimes passing is the predictable thing, but nobody ever sees it that way.
Vikings are not a grind it out team. They passed more than they ran last year. 55% to 45%. Who ran more? Titans, Patriots, Ravens, Browns, Saints--except the Pats, all playoff teams.
Quote: @"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
I can see us passing more this year, especially on 1st down, but with Dalvin Cook and a very good run blocking line and system, this will remain a run-first team.
It needs to be a do whatever the defense is showing a weakness for. To many times we got predictable and couldn't move the ball, that happens to great OL, when the stack the box throw them out of it.
Yes, but for too many, "predictable" simply means running the ball. If it goes for 1, it's predictable. If Dalvin busts it for 60, nobody talks about how predictable it was. Thing is, even those 1 yard gains are useful.
1 yard gains have their place, but when we are simply trying to "impose our willingness to run on a stacked defense and end up not at least flipping field position, then those one yard gains are futile. It seems to often under Zimmer that our game plan is to simply run the clock on a narrow lead and they end up going 3 and out at inopportune times.
I remember a tight game last year--Titans, Cowboys, can't remember who--where all we had to do was get a first down, run off about 90 seconds and the game was ours. We went three and out and took about 20 seconds off the clock because we passed on all three of the downs. We lost.
Why did they do this? I suspect because the defense expected them to run and stacked the box. For the most part, offenses will take what the defense gives them, but sometimes it's best to ignore that and just do what you do well, especially if the situation calls for it.
Pretty easy to throw out a general criticism about Zimmer being to conservative. It is just a fan thing, fans want excitement and if we lose 1 game in a boring way, the confirmation bias sets in. All those other losses that don't confirm the bias are just losses.
Quote: @"greediron" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
I can see us passing more this year, especially on 1st down, but with Dalvin Cook and a very good run blocking line and system, this will remain a run-first team.
It needs to be a do whatever the defense is showing a weakness for. To many times we got predictable and couldn't move the ball, that happens to great OL, when the stack the box throw them out of it.
Yes, but for too many, "predictable" simply means running the ball. If it goes for 1, it's predictable. If Dalvin busts it for 60, nobody talks about how predictable it was. Thing is, even those 1 yard gains are useful.
1 yard gains have their place, but when we are simply trying to "impose our willingness to run on a stacked defense and end up not at least flipping field position, then those one yard gains are futile. It seems to often under Zimmer that our game plan is to simply run the clock on a narrow lead and they end up going 3 and out at inopportune times.
I remember a tight game last year--Titans, Cowboys, can't remember who--where all we had to do was get a first down, run off about 90 seconds and the game was ours. We went three and out and took about 20 seconds off the clock because we passed on all three of the downs. We lost.
Why did they do this? I suspect because the defense expected them to run and stacked the box. For the most part, offenses will take what the defense gives them, but sometimes it's best to ignore that and just do what you do well, especially if the situation calls for it.
Pretty easy to throw out a general criticism about Zimmer being to conservative. It is just a fan thing, fans want excitement and if we lose 1 game in a boring way, the confirmation bias sets in. All those other losses that don't confirm the bias are just losses.
Fans want wins, I dont give a shit how they do it, and its pretty well known that our OL the last decade hasn't been worth a shit on moving people out of the way and imposing their will when the other team knows its coming. Its hardly a rare occurrence to see the O fail to convert a short yardage run in a critical situation.
Quote: @"JimmyinSD" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
I can see us passing more this year, especially on 1st down, but with Dalvin Cook and a very good run blocking line and system, this will remain a run-first team.
It needs to be a do whatever the defense is showing a weakness for. To many times we got predictable and couldn't move the ball, that happens to great OL, when the stack the box throw them out of it.
Yes, but for too many, "predictable" simply means running the ball. If it goes for 1, it's predictable. If Dalvin busts it for 60, nobody talks about how predictable it was. Thing is, even those 1 yard gains are useful.
1 yard gains have their place, but when we are simply trying to "impose our willingness to run on a stacked defense and end up not at least flipping field position, then those one yard gains are futile. It seems to often under Zimmer that our game plan is to simply run the clock on a narrow lead and they end up going 3 and out at inopportune times.
I remember a tight game last year--Titans, Cowboys, can't remember who--where all we had to do was get a first down, run off about 90 seconds and the game was ours. We went three and out and took about 20 seconds off the clock because we passed on all three of the downs. We lost.
Why did they do this? I suspect because the defense expected them to run and stacked the box. For the most part, offenses will take what the defense gives them, but sometimes it's best to ignore that and just do what you do well, especially if the situation calls for it.
Pretty easy to throw out a general criticism about Zimmer being to conservative. It is just a fan thing, fans want excitement and if we lose 1 game in a boring way, the confirmation bias sets in. All those other losses that don't confirm the bias are just losses.
Fans want wins, I dont give a shit how they do it, and its pretty well known that our OL the last decade hasn't been worth a shit on moving people out of the way and imposing their will when the other team knows its coming. Its hardly a rare occurrence to see the O fail to convert a short yardage run in a critical situation.
So which was it, conservative coach or shitty o-line?
I think the shitty o-line had more to do with getting whipped up front by the bears twice a year. Cuz passing hasn't worked against that D-line either.
Quote: @"greediron" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
I can see us passing more this year, especially on 1st down, but with Dalvin Cook and a very good run blocking line and system, this will remain a run-first team.
It needs to be a do whatever the defense is showing a weakness for. To many times we got predictable and couldn't move the ball, that happens to great OL, when the stack the box throw them out of it.
Yes, but for too many, "predictable" simply means running the ball. If it goes for 1, it's predictable. If Dalvin busts it for 60, nobody talks about how predictable it was. Thing is, even those 1 yard gains are useful.
1 yard gains have their place, but when we are simply trying to "impose our willingness to run on a stacked defense and end up not at least flipping field position, then those one yard gains are futile. It seems to often under Zimmer that our game plan is to simply run the clock on a narrow lead and they end up going 3 and out at inopportune times.
I remember a tight game last year--Titans, Cowboys, can't remember who--where all we had to do was get a first down, run off about 90 seconds and the game was ours. We went three and out and took about 20 seconds off the clock because we passed on all three of the downs. We lost.
Why did they do this? I suspect because the defense expected them to run and stacked the box. For the most part, offenses will take what the defense gives them, but sometimes it's best to ignore that and just do what you do well, especially if the situation calls for it.
Pretty easy to throw out a general criticism about Zimmer being to conservative. It is just a fan thing, fans want excitement and if we lose 1 game in a boring way, the confirmation bias sets in. All those other losses that don't confirm the bias are just losses.
Fans want wins, I dont give a shit how they do it, and its pretty well known that our OL the last decade hasn't been worth a shit on moving people out of the way and imposing their will when the other team knows its coming. Its hardly a rare occurrence to see the O fail to convert a short yardage run in a critical situation.
So which was it, conservative coach or shitty o-line?
I think the shitty o-line had more to do with getting whipped up front by the bears twice a year. Cuz passing hasn't worked against that D-line either.
Well both, a shitty online that is known not to move people should not suddenly be expected to push a hole in an obvious run situation. And using the bears OL is kind of an extreme, but if you want to think running into that wall is a better idea than PA pass then go for it. Everybody needs a hill to die on, and that will likely be Zimmrers.
Quote: @"greediron" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
I can see us passing more this year, especially on 1st down, but with Dalvin Cook and a very good run blocking line and system, this will remain a run-first team.
It needs to be a do whatever the defense is showing a weakness for. To many times we got predictable and couldn't move the ball, that happens to great OL, when the stack the box throw them out of it.
Yes, but for too many, "predictable" simply means running the ball. If it goes for 1, it's predictable. If Dalvin busts it for 60, nobody talks about how predictable it was. Thing is, even those 1 yard gains are useful.
1 yard gains have their place, but when we are simply trying to "impose our willingness to run on a stacked defense and end up not at least flipping field position, then those one yard gains are futile. It seems to often under Zimmer that our game plan is to simply run the clock on a narrow lead and they end up going 3 and out at inopportune times.
I remember a tight game last year--Titans, Cowboys, can't remember who--where all we had to do was get a first down, run off about 90 seconds and the game was ours. We went three and out and took about 20 seconds off the clock because we passed on all three of the downs. We lost.
Why did they do this? I suspect because the defense expected them to run and stacked the box. For the most part, offenses will take what the defense gives them, but sometimes it's best to ignore that and just do what you do well, especially if the situation calls for it.
Pretty easy to throw out a general criticism about Zimmer being to conservative. It is just a fan thing, fans want excitement and if we lose 1 game in a boring way, the confirmation bias sets in. All those other losses that don't confirm the bias are just losses.
Totally. Confirmation bias is STRONG with sports fans.
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