US Bank: no masks, full capacity, no vaccine requirements

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@Nichelle said:That's very fair and I agree. Though I will add that I did not use it to stereotype a broad segment of the population.  And as I stated, I wish the number vaccinated was higher as that does nothing to help stop the spread of the virus.

Just because someone gets an injection does not mean they are immune.
A 9th vaccinate New York Yankees member tested positive for Covid-19 but feels good, manager says https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/16/us/yankee...index.html

CDC: About 5,800 Fully Vaccinated People Have Tested Positive for COVID-19https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-about-5800-fully-vaccinated-people-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19/ar-BB1fHfC1
Vaccinated Hawaiian resident tested positive for Delta coronavirus variant.https://www.foxnews.com/health/vaccinated-hawaiian-positive-delta-variant
Two passengers test positive for COVID on Celebrity Millennium 'fully vaccinated' cruisehttps://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/06/10/passengers-positive-covid-after-sailing-100-vaccinated-cruise/7645511002/
Bill Maher is fully vaccinated and has tested positive for Covid-19 Coronovirushttps://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/05/15/bill-maher-tests-positive-for-covid-19-coronavirus-and-is-fully-vaccinated/
Nearly 4,000 fully vaccinated Mass. residents have tested positive for COVID-19https://whdh.com/news/nearly-4000-fully-vaccinated-mass-residents-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19/

Two months after receiving vaccine, Illinois mom tests positive for Covid-19
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/two-mon.../19588729/
142 Houstonians tested positive for Covid-19 after getting vaccine
https://www.khou.com/article/news/health...f71af300a5
Fully Vaccinated Nurse Tests Positive for COVID-19, Forced to Quarantine While on Vacationhttps://www.ibtimes.com/fully-vaccinated-nurse-tests-positive-covid-19-forced-quarantine-while-vacation-3177066
Vaccinated Nats player tests positive for COVID-19https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/vaccinated-nats-player-tests-positive-covid-19-77789670
Erick Fedde is vaccinated and tested positive. Max Scherzer feels he should be able to play.https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/05/19/nationals-pitchers-covid-positive/

Warriors Damion Lee reveals he tested positive for COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated.https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/warriors-damion-lee-reveals-he-tested-positive-for-covid-19-despite-being-fully-vaccinated/

Vaccinated Nursing Home Resident Tests Positive for COVID-19 After Reunion, Family Says.https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/03/23/vaccinated-nursing-home-resident-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-reunion-family-says/

Arizona lawmaker says she tested positive for COVID-19 after receiving both doses of Pfizer vaccine.https://www.12news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/arizona-lawmaker-says-she-tested-positive-for-covid-19-after-receiving-both-doses-of-the-pfizer-vaccine/75-5eb5bc42-76d7-42fb-b914-e65b7616d785

Dozens of Washingtonians test positive for COVID-19 after full vaccination, DOH sayshttps://www.kiro7.com/news/local/doh-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-confirmed-washington/UXIAR3OU4JB63GQQRHTSK45QAA/
21 vaccinated residents test positive for COVID at Spokane retirement community.https://www.kxly.com/21-vaccinated-residents-test-positive-for-covid-at-spokane-retirement-community/

203 fully vaccinated San Diego County residents have tested positive for COVID-19.https://www.kusi.com/203-fully-vaccinated-san-diego-county-residents-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19/
23-year-old tests positive for COVID after receiving vaccine; 'You're not invincible if you're vaccinated'.https://www.wtvr.com/news/coronavirus/23-year-old-tests-positive-for-covid-after-receiving-vaccine
St Louis County sees 71 fully vaccinated people test positive for COVIDhttps://fox2now.com/news/st-louis-county-sees-71-fully-vaccinated-people-test-positive-for-covid/
Six months into the vaccination effort, Los Angeles County has recorded
nearly 1,000 "breakthrough" cases in which fully vaccinated people went
on to test positive for the coronavirus. Of those breakthrough cases, 71
were hospitalized and 12 died.https://patch.com/california/los-angeles/933-vaccinated-angelenos-test-positive-covid-19-12-died

Sonoma County health officials said Tuesday that at least 39 people in
the region tested positive for the coronavirus despite being vaccinated.https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/breakthrough-coronavirus-cases-Bay-Area-Sonoma-16100389.php
'I did not expect it to be positive': Texas teacher tests positive for COVID-19 after getting vaccinated.https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/i-did-not-expect-it-to-be-positive-texas-teacher-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-getting-vaccinated/

17 nursing home residents in Brenham test positive for COVID-19 after receiving vaccinehttps://www.kxxv.com/news/coronavirus/17...ng-vaccine

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Pfizer's EUA Fact Sheet:http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472&format=pdf
Pg 1: "The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19. There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19"
Pg 1: "The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may not protect everyone"
Pg 1: "WHAT IS THE PFIZER-BIONTECHCOVID-19 VACCINE? The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19."
Pg 3: "HAS THE PFIZER-BIONTECHCOVID-19 VACCINE BEEN USED BEFORE?The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine.
In clinical trials, approximately 23,000 individuals 12 years of age
and older have received at least 1 dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine."
Pg 3: "These may not be all the possible side effects of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur. Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccineis still being studied in clinical trials."
Pg 4: "ARE OTHER CHOICES AVAILABLE FOR PREVENTING COVID-19 BESIDES PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE? Currently, there is no approved alternative vaccine available for prevention of COVID-19. Other vaccines to prevent COVID-19 may be available under Emergency Use Authorization.
Pg 6: "The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has not undergone the same type of review as an FDA-approved or cleared product.
FDA may issue an EUA when certain criteria are met, which includes that
there are no adequate, approved, available alternatives. In addition,
the FDA decision is based on the totality of scientific evidence
available showing that the product may be effective to
prevent COVID-19 during the COVID-19 pandemic and that the known and
potential benefits of the product outweigh the known and potential risks
of the product. All of these criteria must be met to allow for the
product to be used in the treatment of patients during the COVID-19 pandemic."

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@DeepFreeze05 said:

@Nichelle said:That's very fair and I agree. Though I will add that I did not use it to stereotype a broad segment of the population.  And as I stated, I wish the number vaccinated was higher as that does nothing to help stop the spread of the virus.

Just because someone gets an injection does not mean they are immune.
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Well, thanks for the posts but I believe that has been stated since the introduction of the vaccines. While it does not mean immunity it does help with the following at a very high rate of efficacy:

• Prevent you from getting COVID-19 or from becoming seriously ill or dying due to COVID-19
• Prevent you from spreading the COVID-19 virus to others
• Add to the number of people in the community who are protected from getting COVID-19 — making it harder for the disease to spread and contributing to herd immunity
• Prevent the COVID-19 virus from spreading and replicating, which allows it to mutate and possibly become more resistant to vaccines

That works for me. Without it, I personally wouldn't be attending Vikings games this season.

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@Nichelle said:

• Prevent you from getting COVID-19 or from becoming seriously ill or dying due to COVID-19
• Prevent you from spreading the COVID-19 virus to others
• Add to the number of people in the community who are protected from getting COVID-19 — making it harder for the disease to spread and contributing to herd immunity
• Prevent the COVID-19 virus from spreading and replicating, which allows it to mutate and possibly become more resistant to vaccines

Perhaps, but some of the articles I shared seems to contradict that.

• Prevent you from getting COVID-19 or from becoming seriously ill or dying due to COVID-19

Six months into the vaccination effort, Los Angeles County has recorded
nearly 1,000 "breakthrough" cases in which fully vaccinated people went
on to test positive for the coronavirus. Of those breakthrough cases, 71
were hospitalized and 12 died.  https://patch.com/california/los-angeles/933-vaccinated-angelenos-test-positive-covid-19-12-died

• Prevent you from spreading the COVID-19 virus to others

Two passengers test positive for COVID on Celebrity Millennium 'fully vaccinated' cruisehttps://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/06/10/passengers-positive-covid-after-sailing-100-vaccinated-cruise/7645511002/

• Add to the number of people in the community who are protected from
  getting COVID-19 — making it harder for the disease to spread and
  contributing to herd immunity

A 9th vaccinate New York Yankees member tested positive for Covid-19 but feels good, manager says https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/16/us/yankees-covid-tests-positive-trnd/index.html

• Prevent the COVID-19 virus from spreading and replicating, which allows
  it to mutate and possibly become more resistant to vaccines

One county: 203 fully vaccinated San Diego County residents have tested positive for COVID-19.

https://www.kusi.com/203-fully-vaccinated-san-diego-county-residents-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19/

One city: 142 Houstonians tested positive for Covid-19 after getting vaccine

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/houstonians-test-positive-covid-19-after-vaccine/285-b50aba7f-5f23-4ae0-bec8-05f71af300a5

Mutate:  Vaccinated Hawaiian resident tested positive for Delta coronavirus variant.https://www.foxnews.com/health/vaccinated-hawaiian-positive-delta-variant

Something to look forward to:
Phizer CEO says third Covid vaccine dose likely needed within 12 months. He also said it’s possible people will need to get vaccinated against the coronavirus annually.https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-c...onths.html


Vaccines 2.0: Next-generation COVID-19 shots will be cheaper, easier to deliver and protect against more viruses, industry leaders say
COVID-19 will not be a pandemic forever, but the virus that causes it will probably be around indefinitely, like the flu, said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

"Are we going to need to give a vaccine as long as this virus exists in the world? I think the answer to that question is yes," Offit said. "So you're talking about decades, I would imagine."

Stanley
Erck, president and CEO of Novavax, which plans to release its
vaccine's effectiveness data soon, said his company's studies in monkeys
show that giving a booster dose a year after initial vaccination yields
"spectacular results."

"I think we're going to want to do that with humans," he said. "This isn't going to go away from a commercial point of view anytime in the future."
www.yahoo.com/entertainment/vaccines-2-0-next-generation-093007959.html

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When throwing around numbers & exceptions, remember these numbers are rather minuscule, when considering some 315M doses have been given & some 148M have been fully vaccinated…

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@Kentis said:
When throwing around numbers & exceptions, remember these numbers are rather minuscule, when considering some 315M doses have been given & some 148M have been fully vaccinated…

It's okay, it an expression of natural selection, and maybe one occasion I agree with Malthus and the lifeboat analogy.  I am good, plenty of folk around the world really want to be vaccinated, give it to them, close the free bar and pay as you go from here on out.

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@Kentis said:
When throwing around numbers & exceptions, remember these numbers are rather minuscule, when considering some 315M doses have been given & some 148M have been fully vaccinated…

Those are the numbers for the first 6 months of breakthrough infection.  Those aren't the numbers for vax injury.  The CDC was supposed to have a meeting today about the cardiac issues with the youth, but they postponed it.

They might be minor, but remember the mask arguments?  Do you hate grandma?  We were supposed to wear masks to maybe just possibly reduce the chance of infection.

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@Kentis said:
When throwing around numbers & exceptions, remember these numbers are rather minuscule, when considering some 315M doses have been given & some 148M have been fully vaccinated…

The same could have been argued about the survival rate prior to the when the injection came out.

Covid-19 Survival Rate
0-19 years   99.997%20-49 years  99.98%50-69 years  99.5%70+ years  94.6%
https://www.krtv.com/news/coronavirus/cd...ival-rates

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@DeepFreeze05 said:

@Kentis said:
When throwing around numbers & exceptions, remember these numbers are rather minuscule, when considering some 315M doses have been given & some 148M have been fully vaccinated…

The same could have been argued about the survival rate prior to the when the injection came out.

Covid-19 Survival Rate
0-19 years   99.997%20-49 years  99.98%50-69 years  99.5%70+ years  94.6%
https://www.krtv.com/news/coronavirus/cd...ival-rates

Yeah that's only 600k, really I think you should not get vaccinated, you convinced me, but to late for me to make your point.  Go for it.