Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
You are so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory land it's frightening.
The DNC wasn't hacked? LOL! Mueller indicted 12 Russians for the hack. That means he had to show proof of who and how to a grand jury. You on the other hand offer absolutely no proof other than your own ridiculous opinions.
Feel free to show one shred of evidence that anything you wrote is true, otherwise go sell crazy elsewhere.
Seth Rich leaked the dnc emails. He was a staffer and was murdered for it.
Time to seek professional help. Even Fox News finally relented and stopped airing this nonsense.
God help us you people will literally believe anything. Time we round you all up, put you in Kansas where your trickle-down economics has destroyed that state so you can happily enjoy the fruits of your own policies, let you de-fund your own healthcare, education, carry guns on your hips everywhere and let you have your own little private shithole to pollute and let the adults run the rest of the country.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Russia collusion was a created story with the initial purpose of getting a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing political opponent for political purposes. it was done sloppily but no one thought she’d lose. When she did, a lot of people knew they were likely f’ed.
Since that time and continuing now we’ve been witnessing a coup attempt. It has involved the upper reaches of the FBI, DOJ, many from the prior administration, at least 2 foreign governments and possibly President Obama.
I’m an independent. Have been for decades and I have limited trust in the power brokers from either party. I’m also a medically retired law officer with extensive investigative experience. This experienced certainly played a role in my strong skepticism for much of what our media feeds us.
I picked up on the Trump Russia collusion narrative being bs immediately. Besides working at the behest of anyone let alone a foreign country is absurd on its face, Trump as a pure narcissist certainly doesn’t fit the profile.
So I’ve spent about two years investigating this corrupt scheme.
I could make this 100 pages in detail but that would be brutal so I’ll summarize.
* Nothing about Trump Russia is real. At no point has there been any actual evidence - in particular there’s never been sufficient evidence to support anything other than a cursory investigation.
* The DNC was not “hacked”. This lie is still peddled. How do I know all these agencies are full of it? Because the NSA tracks everything and they don’t believe this was the case either. The NSA can go back and watch the data transfer. They can clearly see sender and receiver. Not everyone knows this capability. The NSA did go back and check and there’s no evidence of a hack. The DNC information was pulled directly off of their system. This doesn’t exclude the Russians, only tells us we are being lied to and the data was likely leaked by someone with direct access to their systems.
* The original intent of the lies were to gain a FISA warrant for the US to spy on the Trump campaign for political purposes. It was done sloppily but the actors never thought Hillary would lose.
* Joseph Mifsud, Stephen Halper, and Alexander Downing are all western intelligence assets not Russian or the covers they’ve been given.
* The early FISA warrant applications failed. Those running the show used British and Aussie spies against the Trump Campaign until they got the Page warrant. They had to rush a warrant for Carter Page because Adm Mike Rogers caught the wide abuse of “about queries” and shut off access to the system. Rogers would later travel to NYC without telling his superiors in order to warn President-elect Trump he was being spied on and it included Trump Tower. The transition team immediately released a statement they were moving and were out of the tower within a day or two.
* When Hillary lost, the entire spying operation became discoverable. Within the first week or two after the election the plan of Russia collusion we know today was hatched and initialized. This is not a pr campaign.
****What we’ve witnessed since that time is clear and obvious coup attempt against a sitting President of the United States. This is the most serious act perpetrated against our Republic in well over 100 years and the only attempt I know of that didn’t involve assassination. The coup is ongoing but its mostly just desperation now.
* There are dozens of high ranking government officials directly involved and a number unwittingly involved. There are members of both political parties involved. If one looks at the upper levels of DOJ and FBI the number of fired/resigned top officials is astounding.
* The other monster story here is at least 2 foreign countries, the British and Australians (I believe Italians and Turkey as well but no evidence yet) were directly involved in a coup attempt against our President. Our own “alies” have taken actions against our election system and elected officials. It is likley at the behest of someone in our government with the authority to do so. It’s not difficult to figure out that persons identity but I consider it unlikely there will ever be sufficient evidence to prosecute.
* A great number of our media were involved. Many unwittingly but we will likely find some were paid to spread the lies. We will also possibly learn that a number of our media are also active CIA assets. This will depend on what is able to be kept classified as well as their contemporaries willingness to report on it.
* Trump has been kept abreast of most of this since he was elected. That’s why he’ll happily screw with press as he knows the truth. An example would be the spying at Trump Tower. He knew full well he’d be proven correct.
What does this all mean? It means we are a very long way from this being over. I still don’t know how much will be released to the public. I do know the British already took steps to clean things up and I also know they and several other countries are begging Trump not to release the Page FISA warrant unredacted. It will likely decimate the American people’s view of the countries involved. Possibly to an irrepreparable level.
On the Mueller report next to nothing will be allowed to be released on Russia. Nearly every part of it will be too sensitive as far as sources and methods. It is long standing policy that derogatory information is not released on non-indicted persons. This will likely curtail much of the obstruction declas.
I will say this, the Democrats better be careful what they wish for when it comes to the Mueller report. In order to find no collusion Mueller undoubtedly learned much of what did happen. Since much of it is under current investigation we probably won’t see much of this either. The Democrats know this and will use it as long as possible.
We are still at a precarious position but much more stable than a year ago. People simply don’t understand how fragile our Republic actually is.
I don’t care about anyone’s party affiliation. These acts should boil any American’s blood. Personally I’d like to slap the cuffs on myself but its still too early to tell how this eill be handled.
From now on understand that little you hear from the media is actually true. It’s simply to manipulate and divide. Also realize when you hear Trump - he knows. There’s a reason he keeps repeating this should never happen again to a President and also why he’s sure of himself.
You are so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory land it's frightening.
The DNC wasn't hacked? LOL! Mueller indicted 12 Russians for the hack. That means he had to show proof of who and how to a grand jury. You on the other hand offer absolutely no proof other than your own ridiculous opinions.
Feel free to show one shred of evidence that anything you wrote is true, otherwise go sell crazy elsewhere.
You're wasting your time. The Trump supporters that believe what he wrote above aren't all there.
Something very scary is happening. We're seeing - who we thought were sane people - can be so easily manipulated and tricked. I'm not comparing this to the atrocities 1940s Germany, but I always wondered how seemingly an entire country comprised of regular people could fall for Hitler's tricks. I guess we're seeing it's just human wiring. A significant portion of the population is made up of very simple people. It's no coincidence his strongest supporters are Evangelicals.
Quote: @KingBash said:
You're wasting your time. The Trump supporters that believe what he wrote above aren't all there.
Something very scary is happening. We're seeing - who we thought were sane people - can be so easily manipulated and tricked. I'm not comparing this to the atrocities 1940s Germany, but I always wondered how seemingly an entire country comprised of regular people could fall for Hitler's tricks. I guess we're seeing it's just human wiring. A significant portion of the population is made up of very simple people. It's no coincidence his strongest supporters are Evangelicals.
Interesting article:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-pattern-of-cognitive-decline-alarms-psychiatrists-110000099.html
The man who started the original fake news - Trump's Obama birther conspiracy - now can no longer tell the truth of where his own father was born and has lied multiple times about it. The question is why is he lying about something so trivial when it serves no purpose?
“He is rapidly declining,” Lee, the group’s president, said of Trump in an interview. “His rallies have been increasingly less coherent, with greater signs of paranoid responses, increasing attraction to violence, increasing espousal of conspiracy theories. A few weeks ago, there was the ‘ Tim Apple’ episode, and the other day he referred to Venezuela as a company, while recently he confused his father’s birthplace with his grandfather’s.
“His mistakes are growing more and more bizarre,” Lee said. “If we match the pattern of his deterioration against pathology, what disease states look like, we can say he is not well.
“Continually we have been seeing that his erratic thoughts and behavior are more consistent with mental pathology than strategy. Now we are seeing a pattern of cognitive decline.”
“What we said then was that he was worse than he appeared in public and would grow more dangerous over time. That his mental pathology would spread into his administration and the population.” She referenced a phenomenon called “shared psychosis,” in which delusions spread from one family member to his or her relatives.
“In terms of the presidency,” she said, “the nation is the family. That is what we’re seeing now. One of the first things you lose is the ability to recognize that something is not right and to get help. An increasing proportion of the population is unable to recognize that something is not right."
Shared psychosis. They have been whipped into a frenzy and aligned themselves so strongly to Trump that there is no behavior despicable enough, no words or actions treasonous enough, there are no policies cruel enough or self-destructive to their own health and education that raises an eyebrow to them any longer, and no proof or facts definitive enough to ever change their minds unless it's rubber-stamped by Trump, Fox News or other conservative sources. Trump's own cognitive deterioration has spread to the country and infected his supporters like something out of a zombie movie. They've normalized his erratic behavior, his constant lying, his childish insults and name-calling ... as long as it's all directed towards the people, groups, and countries they mutually dislike it's all justified for "telling it like it is". 1930's Germany was different, Hitler's success came more through full control of the media and controlling the message and information that was accessible. Now it's the 21st century, they have freedom to access the internet and other sources but they've been programmed to refute all information if it disagrees with the message of the party: truth, facts, and science are all open to interpretation.
It took a couple generations to de-program post-Nazi Germany - education and access to information was what turned them around into reasonable people again.
But USA? Read these responses. This is their free choice to believe this shit. Trump's relentless attacks on the media and their credibility have devastated his base's ability to be objective. Everyone else in the world is wrong and the Dems, the "mainstream media", the FBI, the CIA, the NSA are all out to get him and get us conservatives, can't you see? Anything that negatively reflects their party, Trump or his message is readily dismissed as fake news and inserted with baseless, factless conspiracy theories because that's what Trump preaches from his diseased mind. Now they're all infected with his psychosis.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Time to seek professional help. Even Fox News finally relented and stopped airing this nonsense.
God help us you people will literally believe anything. Time we round you all up, put you in Kansas where your trickle-down economics has destroyed that state so you can happily enjoy the fruits of your own policies, let you de-fund your own healthcare, education, carry guns on your hips everywhere and let you have your own little private shithole to pollute and let the adults run the rest of the country.
Just curious. Are you completely cool with stereotyping people in general or are there limits where some types of stereotyping is not acceptable to you?
Quote: @"SFVikeFan" said:
Time to seek professional help. Even Fox News finally relented and stopped airing this nonsense.
God help us you people will literally believe anything. Time we round you all up, put you in Kansas where your trickle-down economics has destroyed that state so you can happily enjoy the fruits of your own policies, let you de-fund your own healthcare, education, carry guns on your hips everywhere and let you have your own little private shithole to pollute and let the adults run the rest of the country.
"Time we round you all up"
Quote: @medaille said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Time to seek professional help. Even Fox News finally relented and stopped airing this nonsense.
God help us you people will literally believe anything. Time we round you all up, put you in Kansas where your trickle-down economics has destroyed that state so you can happily enjoy the fruits of your own policies, let you de-fund your own healthcare, education, carry guns on your hips everywhere and let you have your own little private shithole to pollute and let the adults run the rest of the country.
Just curious. Are you completely cool with stereotyping people in general or are there limits where some types of stereotyping is not acceptable to you?
It is almost funny if it weren't scary how hypocritical and delusional some can be. They literally project their faults and issues onto those they condemn. Adults indeed.
TRUMP: Why should I be defending a fraudulent Russian Witch Hunt. It’s about time the perpetrators of this fraud on me and the American People start defending their dishonest and treasonous acts. How and why did this terrible event begin? Never Forget!
Here are the cold, hard facts:
Barack Obama and his crooked law enforcement agencies run by Comey, Clapper and Brennan all conspired to prevent Donald Trump from defeating Queen Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.
Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid former British spy Christopher Steele millions of dollars to compile a phony 35-page dossier from Russian intel sources to smear Donald Trump.
Brennan, Clapper and Comey all promoted the fake dossier with help from the sycophants in the media.
The incredibly corrupt FBI Director James Comey allowed the bureau to use Hillary’s phony dossier to obtain a FISA warrant and three subsequent renewals — Comey personally signed three FISA applications even though he admitted the dossier, which formed an essential part of obtaining the spy warrants, was unverified.
The coup plotters went into overdrive after Donald Trump won the 2016 election and launched an all out assault on Trump with a $30 million special counsel witch hunt.
Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel by DAG Rod Rosenstein after President Trump fired James Comey as FBI Director — Mueller packed his ‘dream team’ with over a dozen Obama-Hillary donors desperate to remove Trump from office.
It was also reported that DAG Rosenstein plotted to wear a wire and record President Trump in order to build a case to remove Trump from office via the 25th Amendment.
After a 2-year inquisition and multiple CI investigations where many lives and reputations were destroyed, Mueller concluded there was no Russian collusion.
Trump is right — this should never happen again to another president and there must be hell to pay for the perpetrators of this hoax.
FBI Departures:
- James Comey, director (fired)
- Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired)
- Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired)
- Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned)
- James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)
- James Baker, general counsel (resigned)
- Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned)
- Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned)
- James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned)
- Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned)
- Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned)
- John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned)
DOJ Departures:
- Sally Yates, deputy attorney general (fired)
- Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general (twice demoted)
- David Laufman, counterintelligence chief (resigned)
- Rachel Brand, deputy attorney general (resigned)
- Trisha Beth Anderson, office of legal counsel for FBI (demoted or reassigned*)
- John P. Carlin, assistant attorney general (resigned)
- Peter Kadzik, assistant attorney general, congressional liaison (resigned)
- Mary McCord, acting assistant attorney general (resigned)
- Matthew Axelrod, principal assistant to deputy attorney general (resigned)
- Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney, SDNY (fired along with 45 other U.S. Attorneys)
- Sharon McGowan, civil rights division (resigned)
- Diana Flynn, litigation director for LGBTQ civil rights (resigned)
- Vanita Gupta, civil rights division (resigned)
- Joel McElvain, assistant branch director of the civil division (resigned)
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
TRUMP: Why should I be defending a fraudulent Russian Witch Hunt. It’s about time the perpetrators of this fraud on me and the American People start defending their dishonest and treasonous acts. How and why did this terrible event begin? Never Forget!
Here are the cold, hard facts:
Barack Obama and his crooked law enforcement agencies run by Comey, Clapper and Brennan all conspired to prevent Donald Trump from defeating Queen Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.
Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid former British spy Christopher Steele millions of dollars to compile a phony 35-page dossier from Russian intel sources to smear Donald Trump.
Brennan, Clapper and Comey all promoted the fake dossier with help from the sycophants in the media.
The incredibly corrupt FBI Director James Comey allowed the bureau to use Hillary’s phony dossier to obtain a FISA warrant and three subsequent renewals — Comey personally signed three FISA applications even though he admitted the dossier, which formed an essential part of obtaining the spy warrants, was unverified.
The coup plotters went into overdrive after Donald Trump won the 2016 election and launched an all out assault on Trump with a $30 million special counsel witch hunt.
Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel by DAG Rod Rosenstein after President Trump fired James Comey as FBI Director — Mueller packed his ‘dream team’ with over a dozen Obama-Hillary donors desperate to remove Trump from office.
It was also reported that DAG Rosenstein plotted to wear a wire and record President Trump in order to build a case to remove Trump from office via the 25th Amendment.
After a 2-year inquisition and multiple CI investigations where many lives and reputations were destroyed, Mueller concluded there was no Russian collusion.
Trump is right — this should never happen again to another president and there must be hell to pay for the perpetrators of this hoax.
LOL! Here are your misguided OPINIONS is more like it - nothing factual.
- "Obama and his crooked law enforcement agencies". Such typical rightwing bullshit. Obama doesn't run anything other than the DOJ. At no time did Obama order wire-tapping, interfere with ongoing investigations (like Trump did). Obama has no control over NSA or CIA, no President does. Take a Civics 101 class.
- Steele dossier was never used by Hillary. It was handed over (the legal, moral, proper method) to the FBI.
- The dossier was never the main focus of evidence to obtain FISA warrants.
- Several parts of the dossier have been verified. To date, none of it has been disproven as false.
- Steele has proven a reliable source of intelligence and has been used in intellience gathering in the past, considered a reliable asset friendly to USA - unlike Russians.
- "The coup plotters" .... uh hello Mr. Conspiracy Theory Lacking Facts ... Trump triggered his own investigation and Constitutional crisis by firing Comey after he refused to "seeing to letting this go with Flynn" and dropping the investigation into Trump's campaign as the POTUS requested with blatant obstruction of justice
- Rosenstein was so concerned with Trump's constantly lying, as was Comey, he joked he should wear a wire around him at meetings - this comment was never a serious suggestion
- The investigation actually didn't cost $30 million, due to the seized assets from Manafort it actually produced money
I suppose you were this outraged over the Benghazi investigations that took just as long? The Hillary email investigations? Both of which conducted by Republican-led committees, costs tens of millions, several years, produced 0 charges, 0 indictments?
37 indictments, 6 guilty pleas ... it's only a fucking hoax to you brain-dead fiction believers who are trying to re-write history already.
You don't know what Mueller concluded, only that collusion charges couldn't be proven. Total exoneration my ass .... there's so much evidence of inappropriate contacts, lying, and attempts at conspiracy that if this was the Democrats that had done this Republicans would be screaming for firing squads and you all know it.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ medaille said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Time to seek professional help. Even Fox News finally relented and stopped airing this nonsense.
God help us you people will literally believe anything. Time we round you all up, put you in Kansas where your trickle-down economics has destroyed that state so you can happily enjoy the fruits of your own policies, let you de-fund your own healthcare, education, carry guns on your hips everywhere and let you have your own little private shithole to pollute and let the adults run the rest of the country.
Just curious. Are you completely cool with stereotyping people in general or are there limits where some types of stereotyping is not acceptable to you?
It is almost funny if it weren't scary how hypocritical and delusional some can be. They literally project their faults and issues onto those they condemn. Adults indeed.
When one group of people believe in fairy tales and refuse to believe in reality .... other people would call them children. When adults willingly do it? Nutjobs. Wackjobs. Insane people.
But nobody comments on the fact you're going to defend the use of some poor staffer's murder to further one more batshit crazy, disproven conspiracy theory that's been touted on Fox News, and so disgusting that the family had to repeatedly beg to have it pulled from the air before even Fox relented and removed it. But since we all know Republicans don't know anything about common decency, you're going to not care about his comments on Seth Richards murder, because you're too busy being offended about my use of stereotyping dumbasses who try to further conspiracy theories.
So noble.
The Germans have a wonderful expression: "Spiel doch nicht die beledigte Leberwurst" ..... "Don't act like an insulted liver sausage" ... aka, don't play the victim card when you're not the victim.
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