Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Fwiw, Steve Smith is a big fan of Aiyuk
There are three receivers I don't really have a good sense for yet. Aiyuk, Chenault and Hamler. But I do think that Aiyuk is going to go a lot higher than we're seeing on big boards and mock drafts.
If you watch the three of those guys together you'll probably think that Schenault has the most raw talent but Aiyuk is much more of a sure thing. They're different players but Aiyuk is a better weapon as a WR. He is an underrated deep threat that can get separation in multiple ways, which is big for me when evaluating. Better yet, 0 drops on passes over 20 yards. So he tracks the ball well and takes advantage when open.
Hamler is such a hard evaluation for me. He's absolutely electric when he has the ball in space. He also made himself a lot of easy yards at Penn running the fade out of the slot, which is probably the toughest route to defend. That speed and the room he has to the sideline is a problem. But the drops, man, absolutely killer. Its not focus based either he simply doesn't track the ball well.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Fwiw, Steve Smith is a big fan of Aiyuk
There are three receivers I don't really have a good sense for yet. Aiyuk, Chenault and Hamler. But I do think that Aiyuk is going to go a lot higher than we're seeing on big boards and mock drafts.
Three? The whole class out side the top three have my head spinning!
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Fwiw, Steve Smith is a big fan of Aiyuk
There are three receivers I don't really have a good sense for yet. Aiyuk, Chenault and Hamler. But I do think that Aiyuk is going to go a lot higher than we're seeing on big boards and mock drafts.
Three? The whole class out side the top three have my head spinning!
Aiyuk had surgery this week...
Aiyuk had a monster year for the Sun Devils, hauling in 65 passes for 1,192 yards (18.3 yards per reception) and eight touchdowns. He followed that by running a 4.50 40-yard dash and posting a 40-inch vertical leap at the scouting combine. But Aiyuk is taking this time to get healthy.
Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reported Aiyuk had core-muscle surgery on Tuesday, electing to fix the issue now given organized team activities (OTAs) are unlikely to take place because of the coronavirus pandemic.
Although knowledge of this injury might impact Aiyuk's draft stock somewhat, it could also be the case his transparency will be valued as he figures to make a healthy return on schedule for whichever team selects him later this month.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Fwiw, Steve Smith is a big fan of Aiyuk
There are three receivers I don't really have a good sense for yet. Aiyuk, Chenault and Hamler. But I do think that Aiyuk is going to go a lot higher than we're seeing on big boards and mock drafts.
If you watch the three of those guys together you'll probably think that Schenault has the most raw talent but Aiyuk is much more of a sure thing. They're different players but Aiyuk is a better weapon as a WR. He is an underrated deep threat that can get separation in multiple ways, which is big for me when evaluating. Better yet, 0 drops on passes over 20 yards. So he tracks the ball well and takes advantage when open.
Hamler is such a hard evaluation for me. He's absolutely electric when he has the ball in space. He also made himself a lot of easy yards at Penn running the fade out of the slot, which is probably the toughest route to defend. That speed and the room he has to the sideline is a problem. But the drops, man, absolutely killer. Its not focus based either he simply doesn't track the ball well.
I agree with you on all this. Because of his injury and the fact that he can't be seen by team doctors, Chenault could drop a ways. But man I think he might be the best athlete in the class. At some point (maybe 3rd round) he'll be worth the gamble. But he can't be the 1st receiver we take.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Fwiw, Steve Smith is a big fan of Aiyuk
There are three receivers I don't really have a good sense for yet. Aiyuk, Chenault and Hamler. But I do think that Aiyuk is going to go a lot higher than we're seeing on big boards and mock drafts.
If you watch the three of those guys together you'll probably think that Schenault has the most raw talent but Aiyuk is much more of a sure thing. They're different players but Aiyuk is a better weapon as a WR. He is an underrated deep threat that can get separation in multiple ways, which is big for me when evaluating. Better yet, 0 drops on passes over 20 yards. So he tracks the ball well and takes advantage when open.
Hamler is such a hard evaluation for me. He's absolutely electric when he has the ball in space. He also made himself a lot of easy yards at Penn running the fade out of the slot, which is probably the toughest route to defend. That speed and the room he has to the sideline is a problem. But the drops, man, absolutely killer. Its not focus based either he simply doesn't track the ball well.
I agree with you on all this. Because of his injury and the fact that he can't be seen by team doctors, Chenault could drop a ways. But man I think he might be the best athlete in the class. At some point (maybe 3rd round) he'll be worth the gamble. But he can't be the 1st receiver we take.
I love Shenault. I know he only ran 4.5 at the Combine but he was also dealing with a core muscle injury that required surgery and hampered his ability to prepare. You just put on the tape though and he is a tough, physical, YAC monster. I look at Debo Samuel and what he was able to do for SF and think Shenault is that kind of player.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
I love Shenault. I know he only ran 4.5 at the Combine but he was also dealing with a core muscle injury that required surgery and hampered his ability to prepare. You just put on the tape though and he is a tough, physical, YAC monster. I look at Debo Samuel and what he was able to do for SF and think Shenault is that kind of player.
I see too much Cordarelle Patterson in Shenault. He's not a good route runner and seems like the type of player you need to manufacture touches for in order to get him involved. That works in college, but it will be tougher in the NFL. He'll get over-drafted because of his elite RAC ability and physical traits... I also don't like his injury history when you factor in his physical style of play.
He's probably going to go early Day 2... or could sneak into the end of the 1st round if some team really loves him. That is way to early for the Vikings to consider taking a player like this. If the Vikings want a physical freak to develop, Claypool would be a better target and he'll get drafted later than Shenault.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Fwiw, Steve Smith is a big fan of Aiyuk
There are three receivers I don't really have a good sense for yet. Aiyuk, Chenault and Hamler. But I do think that Aiyuk is going to go a lot higher than we're seeing on big boards and mock drafts.
Three? The whole class out side the top three have my head spinning!
Ha...yeah, but I don't study the whole class. Just the ones I think the Vikings might draft. And I really think the Vikings could take two receivers in rounds 1-4.
I know you've gone a lot deeper than i have this year. I haven't even looked at Hodgens and Bowden yet. I'll eventually post my Vikings only mock draft, but I doubt I'll go past the 5th round. And I haven't looked at a single LB or TE, or even a QB since Cousins was extended.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Fwiw, Steve Smith is a big fan of Aiyuk
There are three receivers I don't really have a good sense for yet. Aiyuk, Chenault and Hamler. But I do think that Aiyuk is going to go a lot higher than we're seeing on big boards and mock drafts.
If you watch the three of those guys together you'll probably think that Schenault has the most raw talent but Aiyuk is much more of a sure thing. They're different players but Aiyuk is a better weapon as a WR. He is an underrated deep threat that can get separation in multiple ways, which is big for me when evaluating. Better yet, 0 drops on passes over 20 yards. So he tracks the ball well and takes advantage when open.
Hamler is such a hard evaluation for me. He's absolutely electric when he has the ball in space. He also made himself a lot of easy yards at Penn running the fade out of the slot, which is probably the toughest route to defend. That speed and the room he has to the sideline is a problem. But the drops, man, absolutely killer. Its not focus based either he simply doesn't track the ball well.
I agree with you on all this. Because of his injury and the fact that he can't be seen by team doctors, Chenault could drop a ways. But man I think he might be the best athlete in the class. At some point (maybe 3rd round) he'll be worth the gamble. But he can't be the 1st receiver we take.
I love Shenault. I know he only ran 4.5 at the Combine but he was also dealing with a core muscle injury that required surgery and hampered his ability to prepare. You just put on the tape though and he is a tough, physical, YAC monster. I look at Debo Samuel and what he was able to do for SF and think Shenault is that kind of player.
I don't think his athleticism is in question at all. On tape there is hardly anyone who can catch him so his combine times don't do his play speed justice. But availability is a highly scrutinized piece of the overall evaluation. He also doesn't have a specific position which may or may not hurt his stock depending on the team. His draft stock is a complete wild card.
If you aren't worried about the durability and watch the tape only he could easily be a top 20 pick. Maybe he's a surprise. But I also could see him being on the board in the early 3rd due to his lack of a true role and the injuries. Very polarizing.
I like Justin Jefferson from LSU
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